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Is not believing in an eternal hell Heresy?

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Albion

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Being wrong, even firmly wrong, is not the definition of a heresy, though.

Or if it is, we are all heretics.


Other than whether or not the belief is correct, a heresy has to be about a substantial doctrinal matter. Whether leavened or unleavened bread is the one to use for Communion--and each side cites the Bible for support of its belief-- is not a heresy. But denying that Jesus actually rose from the dead is, of course, significant enough to rise to the level of a heresy.

The question here was about hell and whether the denial of its existence is considered serious enough to be a matter of heresy. My answer was "yes." Incidentally, a heresy does not, in itself make anyone a non-Christian, apostate Christian, or anything of the sort.
 
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Actually the question I posted about was not whether denying hell or not is heresy but whether having a different view of hell beyond the eternal view is heresy or not.
 
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I bolded something I found odd. I sure thought God was omnipresent. I would hope you have some scripture or something to back that claim up.
 
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Actually the question I posted about was not whether denying hell or not is heresy but whether having a different view of hell beyond the eternal view is heresy or not.

If it's a heresy in your church it would be a heresy. One must be in communion with a church to be found a heretic.
So to shorten this up, yes in some groups it is a heresy. In some it is not. I think about all would at least call it bad theology.
 
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Actually the question I posted about was not whether denying hell or not is heresy but whether having a different view of hell beyond the eternal view is heresy or not.

Right. I was aware that we had strayed a bit, but there was so little agreement on what a heresy means that it seemed necessary to address that. And as for your specific inquiry...

As I understand it, any "annihilation" would be considered a heresy, as would a temporary hell resulting in everyone being saved sooner or later. Describing hell as a place of loss and alienation from God but not pitchforks and fire would not be a heresy.
 
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I agree with your mindset on that. I have a feeling , however that the SDA wouldn't call it heresy.
 
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Originally Posted by Albion

As I understand it, any "annihilation" would be considered a heresy, as would a temporary hell resulting in everyone being saved sooner or later.

You mean like "purgatory"? Does Roman Catholicism still teach that doctrine?​

http://www.christianforums.com/t7782077/
Purgatory, if it exists how long do you guys have to stay there?



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I bolded something I found odd. I sure thought God was omnipresent. I would hope you have some scripture or something to back that claim up.
Your problem is that the term "omnipresent" is not a Biblical term.
The presence of the Lord fills the Heaven and the Earth. Not Hell. Hell is the complete opposite of Heaven; the antithesis of God.
God created Hell and God could go there, but why? People who are in Hell are there because they chose to separate themselves from God.
 
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You mean like "purgatory"? Does Roman Catholicism still teach that doctrine?[/CENTER]
Yes, Purgatory's still taught, but it's in the process of being redefined to make it seem less scary to 21st century people. After all, everyone goes there except for those who go straight to Hell, so if it's a long spell of fire and brimstone as has historically been taught, any Catholic who believes in Purgatory could well dread what awaits in the afterlife.

While Purgatory has been described as being just like Hell except that it doesn't last forever, that refers to what it would be like to be there. Hell itself is supposed to be forever, and if someone were to advocate a Hell that would only last only until those there were rehabilitated, that would be a heresy.

Purgatory, if it exists how long do you guys have to stay there?
Depends on the sins involved but not longer than until the Second Coming of Christ. According to some Catholic mystics, many people will be there until then.
 
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Originally Posted by seeingeyes

Being wrong, even firmly wrong, is not the definition of a heresy, though.

Or if it is, we are all heretics.


Originally Posted by AmericanChristian91

Actually the question I posted about was not whether denying hell or not is heresy but whether having a different view of hell beyond the eternal view is heresy or not.
Originally Posted by Albion

As I understand it, any "annihilation" would be considered a heresy, as would a temporary hell resulting in everyone being saved sooner or later.
Why? Based on what?
Good question.



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Good question.

As has already been said, a heresy is a belief in a significantly erroneous doctrine.

Universalism and Annihilationism are sufficiently unscriptural (for denying that there will indeed be an eternal separation from God for unrepentant sinners) that such ideas would be heretical.
 
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I suppose that is why those views are relegated to the Unorthodox boards.
It's like a ghost town over there compared to GT....
There is nothing wrong with looking at all arguements, whether pro or con, IMHO

http://www.christianforums.com/t7771017/
POLL: Annihilationism, Universalism or Eternal Hell



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Nice try, but I can read Greek, and the Greek word apollumi actually does mean destruction. And if you look at the context of Matthew 10:28, comparing what God can do (destroy both body and soul) to what man can do (destroy the body but NOT the soul), it doesn't make any sense that apollumi doesn't mean destroy. If apollumi only means ruined, then man can ruin both the body and soul, and Jesus's point is lost. However if man can kill the body and can't kill the soul, and God can kill both the body and the soul in Gehenna; Then Jesus's point is made.

Also, Matthew uses the same word in Matthew 2:13 where Herod wanted to destroy Jesus. Herod's plan was to kill Jesus, not put him in a lost state of continued existence.

Whoever told you that apollumi doesn't mean destroy was not telling you the truth.
 
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A hope and a belief are a bit different. I believe it's God's will that no man perish. I hope and even pray His will be done. I believe in a hell.
 
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Based on What? What Scriptures?

And what Scriptures say that there will be an eternal separation from God? It has already been established that God is in everywhere. He is in Heaven, He is on the Earth, and He is in Hell. See Psalm 139:8, "If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there." Eternal Separation is sufficiently unscriptural that if any wrong belief is heretical, then "Eternal Separation" is. But the Bible says many times over that the lost will perish. How is it heretical to believe that the lost will perish? See John 3:16 for just one example. I can give many more examples if you wish.

The Bible never once says that people go to hell when they die where they are tormented alive forever when they are dead. Eternal Conscious Torment in Hell is not Scriptural.

It is time for the Church to leave the doctrine of ECT that it strayed into and return to the doctrine of the Apostles, that there is only eternal life in Jesus Christ and those who reject Him will perish. 1500 years is a long time to believe a false doctrine. Too long, really.
 
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i know it's not a word used in the bible. But God is omnipresent. Not partially omnipresent as that is an oxymoron.

Try this on for size.

 
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Here is the Gospel Truth and it is NOT a heresy, nor is it "unorthodox"
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

How on earth is it heretical or unorthodox to believe that whoever believes in him will not perish and whoever rejects him will perish when that is specifically what the Bible says???
 
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So now we need to define eternal life.
 
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So now we need to define eternal life.

How about this? Life that lasts forever? Not death continuing on forever? Never perishing?
We all know what "life" is. We shouldn't be redefining that to mean something other than "life". We also know that "eternal" means "lasting forever".
 
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