Is it true that Moses can survive without food and water for 40 days?

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Is it true that Moses can survive without food and water for 40 days?
Same as Jesus during temptation?

Exodus 34: 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
 

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Surviving without food for 40 days is certainly possible, but a human being can only go without drinking for about 4 days or so. So if Moses didn't drink anything for 40 days - it would a require a miracle to survive that.

AFAIK there is no mention of Jesus not drinking for 40 days; only fasting (food).
 
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The rest of the 12Tribes drank water and ate manna.
The 1,000 years are when men are immortal so they need no water and no food. They recreate the last supper for the Passover meal of unleavened bread and red wine, same as Cain's offering in the OT.
 
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Is it true that Moses can survive without food and water for 40 days?
Same as Jesus during temptation?

Exodus 34: 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Yes, only by God's will. Jesus also said..
John 4:31-35:
31 Meanwhile his disciples urged him, “Rabbi, eat something.”

32 But he said to them, “I have food to eat that you know nothing about.”

33 Then his disciples said to each other, “Could someone have brought him food?”

34 “My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. 35 Don’t you have a saying, ‘It’s still four months until harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest.

Jesus was sustained by the Father as He carried out his work which was the will of the Father. Moses likewise was carrying out the will of the Father and had this "hidden food" I believe.. In fact, this may be the same food spoken of in Revelations termed "hidden manna" which some are given. a share of.
 
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A relative of mine fasted without solid food for 40 days, but I really don’t reccommend it.
Nope, that's a long fast indeed. Wondering if your relative had a particular prayer request in mind...must have been a serious matter to fast that long.
 
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Nope, that's a long fast indeed. Wondering if your relative had a particular prayer request in mind...must have been a serious matter to fast that long.
A better question would be if he can remove demons that only Jesus could because of His 40 day fast where God was talking to Him the whole time. A 40 day fast today is a death sentence, just like 40 days of being lost in a desert is.

M't:17:16-21:
And I brought him to thy disciples,
and they could not cure him.
Then Jesus answered and said,
O faithless and perverse generation,
how long shall I be with you?
how long shall I suffer you?
bring him hither to me.
And Jesus rebuked the devil;
and he departed out of him:
and the child was cured from that very hour.
Then came the disciples to Jesus apart,
and said,
Why could not we cast him out?
And Jesus said unto them,
Because of your unbelief:
for verily I say unto you,
If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed,
ye shall say unto this mountain,
Remove hence to yonder place;
and it shall remove;
and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
 
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A better question would be if he can remove demons that only Jesus could because of His 40 day fast where God was talking to Him the whole time. A 40 day fast today is a death sentence, just like 40 days of being lost in a desert is.

M't:17:16-21:
And I brought him to thy disciples,
and they could not cure him.
Then Jesus answered and said,
O faithless and perverse generation,
how long shall I be with you?
how long shall I suffer you?
bring him hither to me.
And Jesus rebuked the devil;
and he departed out of him:
and the child was cured from that very hour.
Then came the disciples to Jesus apart,
and said,
Why could not we cast him out?
And Jesus said unto them,
Because of your unbelief:
for verily I say unto you,
If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed,
ye shall say unto this mountain,
Remove hence to yonder place;
and it shall remove;
and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
Well, I may agree, but I hope you are not implying that this negates fasting generally.
Fasting was observed by some as recorded in Acts...this took place after the ascension...it is a voluntary act now from what I glean from Scripture.
 
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Well, I may agree, but I hope you are not implying that this negates fasting generally.
Fasting was observed by some as recorded in Acts...this took place after the ascension...it is a voluntary act now from what I glean from Scripture.
Fasting according to the OT is something the Disciples of John the Baptist did without it being wrong in any way. Fasting isn't a requirement in the Church. It can still be beneficial to your body if you have a certain ailment.

Lu:5:32-35:
I came not to call the righteous,
but sinners to repentance.
And they said unto him,
Why do the disciples of John fast often,
and make prayers,
and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees;
but thine eat and drink?
And he said unto them,
Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast,
while the bridegroom is with them?
But the days will come,
when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them,
and then shall they fast in those days.

I assume that was just the time He was in the grave, they were shown to be eating during the 40 days He was with them after His resurrection.
Col:2:16:
Let no man therefore judge you in meat,
or in drink,
or in respect of an holyday,
or of the new moon,
or of the sabbath days:

Passover would be the exception. 1st full moon in the month that starts after the winter/summer equinox. (cannot be within 15 days of the event that is about March 21)
 
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Fasting according to the OT is something the Disciples of John the Baptist did without it being wrong in any way. Fasting isn't a requirement in the Church. It can still be beneficial to your body if you have a certain ailment.

Lu:5:32-35:
I came not to call the righteous,
but sinners to repentance.
And they said unto him,
Why do the disciples of John fast often,
and make prayers,
and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees;
but thine eat and drink?
And he said unto them,
Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast,
while the bridegroom is with them?
But the days will come,
when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them,
and then shall they fast in those days.

I assume that was just the time He was in the grave, they were shown to be eating during the 40 days He was with them after His resurrection.
Col:2:16:
Let no man therefore judge you in meat,
or in drink,
or in respect of an holyday,
or of the new moon,
or of the sabbath days:

Passover would be the exception. 1st full moon in the month that starts after the winter/summer equinox. (cannot be within 15 days of the event that is about March 21)
I did not post that one must fast. According to the OT true fasting includes a searching for God's will in ones life.
According to Acts, the Apostles fasted and prayed for God's decision on who was to be the Apostle to replace Judas the betrayer.
The New Moon celebration is obsolete.
 
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I did not post that one must fast. According to the OT true fasting includes a searching for God's will in ones life.
According to Acts, the Apostles fasted and prayed for God's decision on who was to be the Apostle to replace Judas the betrayer.
The New Moon celebration is obsolete.
The part I posted was about the Apostles not fasting during the time Jesus was alive and with them.
What was your point in your comment?
Were the Gentiles in Acts:10 instructed to take up fasting?
 
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The notes in my study Bible say that "40 days" is an expression that can simply mean "a lot" or "a long time". Compare expressions in English like "I have a million things to do today" or "I have a ton of stuff in the trunk of my car".
it meant 40days.
 
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The notes in my study Bible say that "40 days" is an expression that can simply mean "a lot" or "a long time". Compare expressions in English like "I have a million things to do today" or "I have a ton of stuff in the trunk of my car".
That is why the 1611KJV doesn't have any study notes. Reading the book enough clues a reader into what is valid and what is not.
 
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The part I posted was about the Apostles not fasting during the time Jesus was alive and with them.
What was your point in your comment?
Were the Gentiles in Acts:10 instructed to take up fasting?
I am responding to your response to mine...this is getting a bit silly. Fasting today is a good and decent practice to reach out to God with self-examination and repentance or seeking a serious request for self or others and I suppose many other instances...I said it is by discretion of the individual believer.
 
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I am responding to your response to mine...this is getting a bit silly. Fasting today is a good and decent practice to reach out to God with self-examination and repentance or seeking a serious request for self or others and I suppose many other instances...I said it is by discretion of the individual believer.
If that is your preferred method, I don't have an issue with it.
That doesn't seem to be a demand in my references, the Lord's Prayer is thanking God for the food He gave us to eat:
M't:6:6-13:
But thou,
when thou prayest,
enter into thy closet,
and when thou hast shut thy door,
pray to thy Father which is in secret;
and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
But when ye pray,
use not vain repetitions,
as the heathen do:
for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Be not ye therefore like unto them:
for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of,
before ye ask him.
After this manner therefore pray ye:
Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth,
as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil:
For thine is the kingdom,
and the power,
and the glory,
for ever.
Amen.

Lu:18:10-14:
Two men went up into the temple to pray;
the one a Pharisee,
and the other a publican.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself,
God,
I thank thee,
that I am not as other men are,
extortioners,
unjust,
adulterers,
or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week,
I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican,
standing afar off,
would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven,
but smote upon his breast,
saying,
God be merciful to me a sinner.
I tell you,
this man went down to his house justified rather than the other:
for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased;
and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
 
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Is it true that Moses can survive without food and water for 40 days?
Same as Jesus during temptation?

Exodus 34: 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Yes.
 
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Surviving without food for 40 days is certainly possible, but a human being can only go without drinking for about 4 days or so. So if Moses didn't drink anything for 40 days - it would a require a miracle to survive that.

AFAIK there is no mention of Jesus not drinking for 40 days; only fasting (food).
Yes, of course the entire event was a miracle... God giving Moses the Torah.... I read a book by Dr. Jason Fung about fasting. He wrote about a guy in England, who had fasted for an entire year with doctor's supervision. It's actually a very healthy thing to do, but I would suggest reading a book by Dr. Jason Fung and talking with your doctor.
 
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