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Is it possible to keep the 10 commandments?

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Parts of so called "Calvinism" are not from the Holy Bible, but the assumptions of some theologians, who were more interested in their "system", than what the Holy Bible actually teaches. because of this, they tend to twist the plain meaning of Scripture for their purposes, like John 3:16, where they wrongly assume that "κόσμος" here is to be understood in a limited sense, purely for theological purposes. Even the person whose teachings they claim to follow, John Calvin, states very clearly that "κόσμος" here is for the "human race", and "everyone without exception", which "Calvinists" don't like, so they try to ignore their guru on this! Such is the craftiness of this system!
 
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There seems to be some misundersandings in the above post.

Abraham was a man of faith to be sure, but after he had faith, he also had works. Did he not bring Isaac up to Mt. Moriah and was willing to offer him to God? What could be more of a work than that? Did Abraham not leave his home in Ur to follow God and do as God had ordered him? What could be more work than that? Abraham obeyed God in all manners. After salvation comes obedience.
Genesis 12:1
Genesis 22:2-3

It's true that we are not justified by the law of works.
We will never be able to do enough good deeds to satisfy God. Only our faith and giving Him our heart will satisfy Him.
After we are saved and have faith, God does expect us to do our part. This is sanctification and we must cooperate with God in order to be sanctified -- it will not happen through some miracle but is a life-long process.
Ephesians 2:10

Galatians 3:21
Covered above. Salvation comes not by a law, but by faith --just as in the O.T.

The law is not a curse, but it's holy and good.
Romans 7:12
 
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As to sanctification...I agree but it is much more than sexual immorality --

I agree, it is certainly much more, but in that context, Paul was dealing with sexual immorality. And Paul was not saying that sanctification is only limited to sexual immorality issues.

As to John Piper, I'm not a calvinist and do not like to listen to him since I don't agree with anything he says.

Is that a general principle for you, that you don't listen to anyone who disagrees with you?
If that is true, how does that work to grow in your faith?

I find I grow the most when I seek to accurately understand and represent those who disagree with my perspective. Do I do it perfectly? No. By God's grace, I try to bring my traditions and presuppositions into subservience to God's truth from the Bible.
 
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Right. I like to say that some like to believe the bible and some like to believe a man.

When I post early church theologians to show that the idea of predestination (as to individual salvation) did not exist, I'm told that "they were not inspired".

I suppose by that statement that the reformed church believes Calvin WAS inspired. Or was he not just another man like all men?

I like to believe the bible and what Jesus taught us.
God is good.
Luke 18:19

God is merciful.
Psalm 86:5
Luke 6:36

God is just.
Isaiah 30:18
Colossians 3:25 (WITHOUT PARTIALITY!)
 
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How much do you allow your hatred of Calvinism to stop you from seeking the truth of God, because you animosity towards Calvinism is tangible and it appears your traditions are causing obstacles for you?

You have not demonstrated where any of the verses I quoted were wrong in their exegesis, but went off on a tangent I never mentioned.
 
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I agree, it is certainly much more, but in that context, Paul was dealing with sexual immorality. And Paul was not saying that sanctification is only limited to sexual immorality issues.
Agreed.

Is that a general principle for you, that you don't listen to anyone who disagrees with you?
If that is true, how does that work to grow in your faith?
Above you're referring to how I won't listen to John Piper.
Let's see...how do you suppose I know about calvinism?
Perhaps by reading and listening to those I do not agree with?
Perhaps this is how I've come to know how incorrect this doctrine is? How else could I know about something???

I pray that your faith grows enough to understand how loving and merciful God is.

How He desires all men to be saved and how He wishes that all would go to Him and accept Him. But, being a loving God, He will not force anyone to love Him --- it must be done by their own free will; or it is not love at all.
 
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Calvinists do not disagree with any of this that I am aware of.
Then perhaps you are not aware of what they believe.

Unconditional Election:
God chooses who will go to heaven and who will go to hell.

Does that sound like a loving God to you?
 
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Unconditional Election:
God chooses who will go to heaven and who will go to hell.

Equal ultimacy error. Calvinism does not teach this (that God choose who goes to Hell).

God does not choose who goes to Hell. Man's natural condition is condemnation for their sin against God. What is amazing is that God saves anyone at all.


John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Does that sound like a loving God to you?

Since it is a misrepresentation of what the Bible (and Calvinism) teaches, the question is moot.

Recommended reading: The Potter's Freedom by James R. White.
 
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Quite a lot of assumptions, calvinists don't like John Calvin on 'world', however world refers to the whole world, not just the jews. Even the early church. mostly which was made up of Jews, God had to convince He would be adding gentiles into the church. Look at Peter and his vision he had 3 times before being led to Cornelius's house, and also the Jerusalem council, where it was no small controversy over the gentiles being included in the church.

AND Caiaphas prophecy said Christ would gather into one all of God's children abroad and also mentions who Christ died for and for what purpose. Which is He died for the children of God scattered abroad, both of the the jews and of the gentile nations, and his death was to unite the 2 into one flock, creating one new man destroying the dividing enmity between them. The purpose of Christ's death was to give eternal life to believers in Him, those believers are the children of God. Christ does nothing to aid unbelievers to salvation who are not of the seed of Abraham, as Isaac was a child of the promise, so supernaturally called and chosen by God to be the seed of Abraham. He only aids the seed of Abraham, who are the promised children of God. Believers are like Isaac, who was a child of God's promise, that means supernaturally called and created by God to be the children of God, individually chosen to be what they are beforehand, as Ephesians 1 so says.

Hebrews 2
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who [g]sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”

13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”

And again:

“H
ere am I and the children whom God has given Me.”

14 Inasmuch then as
the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16
For indeed He does not [h]give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being [j]tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.


John 11:48-53 King James Version (KJV)
48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.

49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.


And about the seed of Abraham, God said in Isaac your seed shall be called (of God to salvation supernaturally not of the will of the flesh like was Ishmael born)

Galatians 3
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
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No, I do not drive on Shabbat. No, I do not buy or sell on Shabbat. No, I do not cook on Shabbat. you are allowed to do good and break Shabbat if to save a life (just as Yeshua did). Anything else?
 
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How is keeping the Sabbath or worshipping on Sunday
And keeping that day holy, a moral law??

As I said, it was instituted BEFORE the fall...so it is neither.
 
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where did I say that it was? The New Testament is very clear, to those who will only listen, that the OT Sabbath Day is NOT for Christians. PERIOD!

The Sabbath was instituted at Creation. Is marriage only OT? You choose not to keep the Sabbath, that is your choice.
 
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John 11
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people (of God), and that the whole nation perish not.

Jesus's death only benefits believers by giving them eternal life so that the whole nation perish not.
Unbelievers who are not the children of God , so not like Abraham's seed Isaac a child of God's promise, perish.

52 And not for that nation only (should Christ die), but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Christ death gives the one flock of God's children who come from every nation all over the earth eternal life and unites them into one body, His church. And they are like Isaac was, children of God's promise, so supernaturally promised, called to be what they are, born of the Father by His Spirit and not by any deeds or will of the flesh, the will of man.
 
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You are mis-interpreting Scripture. The "Sabbaths" Paul is speaking of are the Festivals that were shadows of Yeshua. He fulfilled them. The reason there was a collection on Sunday was because no money could be collected on the Sabbath and they were meeting on Sundays. No problem worshiping on Sundays, my Church has been doing it for almost 2000 years!
 
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Protestant terms? They are straight out of the Bible. What do you call them?

Just because a Protestant term is used, doesn't mean it does or does not have the same meaning. Our church is a 2000 year old liturgical church. It's like the term "rapture," it means different things to different people. But, I don't really want to get into semantics here. This topic has nothing to do with the OP.
 
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Then show me where in John 3:16, - which is speaking of the salvation that is in Jesus Christ, which is for the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE. who are SO LOVED by the God of the Bible, - that ANY part speaks of any limitation? No only I, but the Lord of the Bible, HATES false teachings, which "limited atonement", or "particular redemption", or whatever clever name it goes by, teaches.

You, like the others who follow your warped theology, take the name "Calvinism", and YET refuse to accept the words of John Calvin, the very name you revere, on the Death of Jesus Christ. Listen to Calvin's own words:

On Mark 14:24, which is speaking of the Lord's Supper, and when Judas was still very much present (see Luke's account), and did take part in the bread and wine, which represent the "body and blood" of Jesus. Jesus says "And he said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.". On the word "many", it would be expected that Calvin would say, "the elect", as do "Calvinists". However, he says, "By the word many he means not a part of the world only, but the whole human race; for he contrasts many with one". Do you get it? Can Calvin be any more clear with his language? YET, this is totally ignored by so called "Calvinists", because their own teacher DISAGREES with their own beliefs which are meant to be from him!

On John 3:16, where I have seen some abuse the use of "world", to limit it to the "elect". Calvin again shows the TRUTH on this.

"That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found inthe world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life."

Here we have the unCalvinistic language on John 3:16, where it is abundantly clear to all who will only listen, that Jesus's death is for, "THE WHOLE WORLD...ALL MEN WITHOUT EXCEPTION". Which is, the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE. The so called "Calvinistic" term is, "all men without distinction", i.e, "all kinds of people". One again Calvin himself destroys this heresy called "particular redemption", etc

It gets even better, commenting on Paul's words in Colossians 1:14, when he speaks of Jesus, "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:", Calvin clearly says, "He says that this redemption was procured through the blood of Christ, for by the sacrifice of his death all the sins of the world have been expiated"

Now, lets see how good your exegesis is!
 
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Oh yes. James White...another favorite of mine!!
LOL I'll be rushing to my bookstore to get that one!!
I know James White too. I won't be getting his book either.

God DEFINITLY, and absolutely decides who gets to go to hell according to the theology He believe in.

If you're NOT going to HEAVEN,
you ARE going to HELL.

And re how terrible we all are that we should all be going to hell but God is sooooo good to choose some for heaven....

Well, if God was REALLY good, He'd choose EVERYONE to go to heaven!!
Then Jesus wouldn't even have had to die!!

John 3:14-18 JESUS SAID:
14“As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.

16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."


THE WORLD means the entire world and everybody in it.
WHOEVER means those that believe. Whoever believes
HE WHO BELIEVES leaves the choice up to the person. God does not force anyone to believe in Him because that is not true love.
(If you're married, did you force your wife to love you?)

Whoever does not believe is condemned already --- true. Because we are born lost. Depraved but not totally depraved.

But here is where we part. YOU say God chooses who will be saved and who will be in hell.

I say God let's us have the opportunity to be saved based on the conditions He has set up. This sounds much more like a loving and just God to me than the one in your theology.

God is Love.
God is Merciful.
God is Just.

Why would he arbitrarily send anyone to hell if He could save everyone??? (just like He saves the few you're speaking of).

WHOEVER:

pronoun; possessive whos·ev·er; objectivewhom·ev·er.
  1. whatever person; anyone that:Whoever did it should be proud. Ask whoever is there. Tell it to whomever you like.
  2. no matter who:I won't do it, whoever asks.
  3. who? what person? (used to express astonishment, disbelief, disdain, etc.):Whoever is that? Whoever told you such a thing?
 
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No, I do not drive on Shabbat. No, I do not buy or sell on Shabbat. No, I do not cook on Shabbat. you are allowed to do good and break Shabbat if to save a life (just as Yeshua did). Anything else?

you must be still under the law
 
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its very easy to put your own spin on what the Bible clearly teaches, because you would rather keep your "traditions", than accept that you are wrong. Paul very clearly speaks of the Sabbath, and ALL other festivals which are part of the Law of Moses that was removed at the Cross. You keep fighting what the Bible says.
 
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