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Are you saying that you aren’t saved?I don't want to be God. Don't make me equal with him. It is not possible someone who sin to remain saved.
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Are you saying that you aren’t saved?I don't want to be God. Don't make me equal with him. It is not possible someone who sin to remain saved.
I am obviously not doing that. You pronounce Doctrinal matters of God yet even when challenged will not/CANNOT provide God telling us this, and yet continue to pronounce matters as if they come from God. It is only a logical conclusion that you think you are God or a god. Otherwise show us where God says what you claim He does.I don't want to be God. Don't make me equal with him. It is not possible someone who sin to remain saved.
Okay so my wife and I were watching a sermon from a well respected Doctor and Protestant Pastor. I won't name him in case people call him a false teacher (I honestly don't think he's a false teacher, because he's well known in the Protestant community as being a well educated and proper teaching preacher, a majority of his preaching is rock solid. I just think he's wrong about this one particular interpretation of scripture.)
Anyway, during the sermon in question he talks about it being possible as a Christian to "love the wrong world" and to lose God the Father's love. He used 1 John 2:15 as "proof" of his interpretation of what John was saying here.
Okay so my wife and I were watching a sermon from a well respected Doctor and Protestant Pastor. I won't name him in case people call him a false teacher (I honestly don't think he's a false teacher, because he's well known in the Protestant community as being a well educated and proper teaching preacher, a majority of his preaching is rock solid. I just think he's wrong about this one particular interpretation of scripture.)
Anyway, during the sermon in question he talks about it being possible as a Christian to "love the wrong world" and to lose God the Father's love. He used 1 John 2:15 as "proof" of his interpretation of what John was saying here.
I have to say, I disagree with a majority of what he said in said sermon. He not only said that it was possible to fall out of God the Father's love by living in the World but it was also as if he was trying to claim that said person would lose their salvation if they did so. But, that can't have been what the Doctor meant because he's a well respected Doctor in the Protestant community and he preaches on Eternal Security and what I consider to be the basic tenants to the Protestant faith all the time.
I was actually kind of puzzled how he could have come to this conclusion especially when the entire rest of the Bible says that it's impossible to fall out of God's love no matter what we do or say because God IS love.
Don't forget there are MANY passages of scripture that show that God will never abandon his Children and those who seek him. God continues to work on us, sanctify us, and deliver us from sin each and every passing millisecond of our lives. Just because a Christian may love the world "today" doesn't mean that we won't love the world "tomorrow." because God continues to work on each and every one of us every single day. To claim that we lose God's love for living in the world and that he abandons us is like to claim that God abandons one of his children is IMO... unscirptural.
Nowhere in scripture does it say that God will abandon his children (Or those who aren't for that matter) for ANY reason. It is impossible to fall out of God's love (IMO) because God IS love. God loves all of humanity and John 3:16 is an example that proves it. It says "For God so loved the world" this includes the billions of people that live IN the world. He loves them just as equally as he loves his own children and he desires them to come to the truth so that he can be with them forever. I mean, Romans 8:31-39 is a statement by Paul that NOTHING can separate us from the love of God. NOTHING!
So IMO this interpretation of John's words cannot be what the Apostle had meant when he wrote 1 John 2:15-17. Same as John's apparently contradictory statement of "Nobody that is born of God sins." and then a few verses later he says "If you claim to have no sin the truth is not in you." that, cannot be what the apostle meant then either.
I asked a few of my friends what they thought and some of them brought up a good point. That the pastor in question was wrong with his interpretation of 1 John 2:15. They offered another interpretation from the well respected doctor that, I kind of agree with. They said that what John meant was that when we love the world WE don't love or show love towards God the Father. Not that he abandons us and no longer loves us.
What's your interpretation of what John meant? Did he mean we can fall out of God's love if we live in the world or did he mean something else? I'm curious on your thoughts.
Many in the church have been taught from the pulpits that God loves us unconditionally. However that is false as many scriptures are conditional in nature. Scripture is replete with "if" we do this, then this occurs - with positive or negative consequences. God's love is also conditional. Your citation of Rom 8:31-39 falls short of your claim as SIN does separate us from the love of God and that is precisely why sin is not listed in those verses is it?Okay so my wife and I were watching a sermon from a well respected Doctor and Protestant Pastor. I won't name him in case people call him a false teacher (I honestly don't think he's a false teacher, because he's well known in the Protestant community as being a well educated and proper teaching preacher, a majority of his preaching is rock solid. I just think he's wrong about this one particular interpretation of scripture.)
Anyway, during the sermon in question he talks about it being possible as a Christian to "love the wrong world" and to lose God the Father's love. He used 1 John 2:15 as "proof" of his interpretation of what John was saying here.
I have to say, I disagree with a majority of what he said in said sermon. He not only said that it was possible to fall out of God the Father's love by living in the World but it was also as if he was trying to claim that said person would lose their salvation if they did so. But, that can't have been what the Doctor meant because he's a well respected Doctor in the Protestant community and he preaches on Eternal Security and what I consider to be the basic tenants to the Protestant faith all the time.
I was actually kind of puzzled how he could have come to this conclusion especially when the entire rest of the Bible says that it's impossible to fall out of God's love no matter what we do or say because God IS love.
Don't forget there are MANY passages of scripture that show that God will never abandon his Children and those who seek him. God continues to work on us, sanctify us, and deliver us from sin each and every passing millisecond of our lives. Just because a Christian may love the world "today" doesn't mean that we won't love the world "tomorrow." because God continues to work on each and every one of us every single day. To claim that we lose God's love for living in the world and that he abandons us is like to claim that God abandons one of his children is IMO... unscirptural.
Nowhere in scripture does it say that God will abandon his children (Or those who aren't for that matter) for ANY reason. It is impossible to fall out of God's love (IMO) because God IS love. God loves all of humanity and John 3:16 is an example that proves it. It says "For God so loved the world" this includes the billions of people that live IN the world. He loves them just as equally as he loves his own children and he desires them to come to the truth so that he can be with them forever. I mean, Romans 8:31-39 is a statement by Paul that NOTHING can separate us from the love of God. NOTHING!
So IMO this interpretation of John's words cannot be what the Apostle had meant when he wrote 1 John 2:15-17. Same as John's apparently contradictory statement of "Nobody that is born of God sins." and then a few verses later he says "If you claim to have no sin the truth is not in you." that, cannot be what the apostle meant then either.
I asked a few of my friends what they thought and some of them brought up a good point. That the pastor in question was wrong with his interpretation of 1 John 2:15. They offered another interpretation from the well respected doctor that, I kind of agree with. They said that what John meant was that when we love the world WE don't love or show love towards God the Father. Not that he abandons us and no longer loves us.
What's your interpretation of what John meant? Did he mean we can fall out of God's love if we live in the world or did he mean something else? I'm curious on your thoughts.
You may want to read Rom 8:13.Please, please, please provide Scriptural support of what YOU say. I have been reading God's Word for over 45 years and have NEVER seen God tell us that or do you think that you are God?
You may want to read Rom 8:13.
Paul is speaking to Christians in Rome - "you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit...." Furthermore, in v.12 he makes it abundantly clear that he is addressing the brethren telling them that we are not debtors to the flesh; to live according to the flesh. Thus accordingly, in v.12 he warns the brethren in Rome - IF you live according to the flesh, YOU WILL DIE. Paul can only be referring to spiritual death here because every single person dies physically irrespective of what manner of life they lived. Christians enabled by God's grace have the ability to choose to live IF they live according to the flesh OR IF they live according to the Spirit. Unbelievers have no such choice as they are unregenerated by the Spirit and thus can only live according to the flesh.read this first, though.
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
— Romans 8:9
Okay so my wife and I were watching a sermon from a well respected Doctor and Protestant Pastor. I won't name him in case people call him a false teacher (I honestly don't think he's a false teacher, because he's well known in the Protestant community as being a well educated and proper teaching preacher, a majority of his preaching is rock solid. I just think he's wrong about this one particular interpretation of scripture.)
Anyway, during the sermon in question he talks about it being possible as a Christian to "love the wrong world" and to lose God the Father's love. He used 1 John 2:15 as "proof" of his interpretation of what John was saying here.
I have to say, I disagree with a majority of what he said in said sermon. He not only said that it was possible to fall out of God the Father's love by living in the World but it was also as if he was trying to claim that said person would lose their salvation if they did so. But, that can't have been what the Doctor meant because he's a well respected Doctor in the Protestant community and he preaches on Eternal Security and what I consider to be the basic tenants to the Protestant faith all the time.
I was actually kind of puzzled how he could have come to this conclusion especially when the entire rest of the Bible says that it's impossible to fall out of God's love no matter what we do or say because God IS love.
Don't forget there are MANY passages of scripture that show that God will never abandon his Children and those who seek him. God continues to work on us, sanctify us, and deliver us from sin each and every passing millisecond of our lives. Just because a Christian may love the world "today" doesn't mean that we won't love the world "tomorrow." because God continues to work on each and every one of us every single day. To claim that we lose God's love for living in the world and that he abandons us is like to claim that God abandons one of his children is IMO... unscirptural.
Nowhere in scripture does it say that God will abandon his children (Or those who aren't for that matter) for ANY reason. It is impossible to fall out of God's love (IMO) because God IS love. God loves all of humanity and John 3:16 is an example that proves it. It says "For God so loved the world" this includes the billions of people that live IN the world. He loves them just as equally as he loves his own children and he desires them to come to the truth so that he can be with them forever. I mean, Romans 8:31-39 is a statement by Paul that NOTHING can separate us from the love of God. NOTHING!
So IMO this interpretation of John's words cannot be what the Apostle had meant when he wrote 1 John 2:15-17. Same as John's apparently contradictory statement of "Nobody that is born of God sins." and then a few verses later he says "If you claim to have no sin the truth is not in you." that, cannot be what the apostle meant then either.
I asked a few of my friends what they thought and some of them brought up a good point. That the pastor in question was wrong with his interpretation of 1 John 2:15. They offered another interpretation from the well respected doctor that, I kind of agree with. They said that what John meant was that when we love the world WE don't love or show love towards God the Father. Not that he abandons us and no longer loves us.
What's your interpretation of what John meant? Did he mean we can fall out of God's love if we live in the world or did he mean something else? I'm curious on your thoughts.
Okay so my wife and I were watching a sermon from a well respected Doctor and Protestant Pastor. I won't name him in case people call him a false teacher (I honestly don't think he's a false teacher, because he's well known in the Protestant community as being a well educated and proper teaching preacher, a majority of his preaching is rock solid. I just think he's wrong about this one particular interpretation of scripture.)
Anyway, during the sermon in question he talks about it being possible as a Christian to "love the wrong world" and to lose God the Father's love. He used 1 John 2:15 as "proof" of his interpretation of what John was saying here.
I have to say, I disagree with a majority of what he said in said sermon. He not only said that it was possible to fall out of God the Father's love by living in the World but it was also as if he was trying to claim that said person would lose their salvation if they did so. But, that can't have been what the Doctor meant because he's a well respected Doctor in the Protestant community and he preaches on Eternal Security and what I consider to be the basic tenants to the Protestant faith all the time.
I was actually kind of puzzled how he could have come to this conclusion especially when the entire rest of the Bible says that it's impossible to fall out of God's love no matter what we do or say because God IS love.
Don't forget there are MANY passages of scripture that show that God will never abandon his Children and those who seek him. God continues to work on us, sanctify us, and deliver us from sin each and every passing millisecond of our lives. Just because a Christian may love the world "today" doesn't mean that we won't love the world "tomorrow." because God continues to work on each and every one of us every single day. To claim that we lose God's love for living in the world and that he abandons us is like to claim that God abandons one of his children is IMO... unscirptural.
Nowhere in scripture does it say that God will abandon his children (Or those who aren't for that matter) for ANY reason. It is impossible to fall out of God's love (IMO) because God IS love. God loves all of humanity and John 3:16 is an example that proves it. It says "For God so loved the world" this includes the billions of people that live IN the world. He loves them just as equally as he loves his own children and he desires them to come to the truth so that he can be with them forever. I mean, Romans 8:31-39 is a statement by Paul that NOTHING can separate us from the love of God. NOTHING!
So IMO this interpretation of John's words cannot be what the Apostle had meant when he wrote 1 John 2:15-17. Same as John's apparently contradictory statement of "Nobody that is born of God sins." and then a few verses later he says "If you claim to have no sin the truth is not in you." that, cannot be what the apostle meant then either.
I asked a few of my friends what they thought and some of them brought up a good point. That the pastor in question was wrong with his interpretation of 1 John 2:15. They offered another interpretation from the well respected doctor that, I kind of agree with. They said that what John meant was that when we love the world WE don't love or show love towards God the Father. Not that he abandons us and no longer loves us.
What's your interpretation of what John meant? Did he mean we can fall out of God's love if we live in the world or did he mean something else? I'm curious on your thoughts.
Reread it. Not there. Another, please?You may want to read Rom 8:13.
You forget that we are in Christ and have died to sin. New nature. No longer slaves of unrighteousness. See chapter 6.Paul is speaking to Christians in Rome - "you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit...." Furthermore, in v.12 he makes it abundantly clear that he is addressing the brethren telling them that we are not debtors to the flesh; to live according to the flesh. Thus accordingly, in v.12 he warns the brethren in Rome - IF you live according to the flesh, YOU WILL DIE. Paul can only be referring to spiritual death here because every single person dies physically irrespective of what manner of life they lived. Christians enabled by God's grace have the ability to choose to live IF they live according to the flesh OR IF they live according to the Spirit. Unbelievers have no such choice as they are unregenerated by the Spirit and thus can only live according to the flesh.
Anyway, during the sermon in question he talks about it being possible as a Christian to "love the wrong world" and to lose God the Father's love. He used 1 John 2:15 as "proof" of his interpretation of what John was saying here.
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You should name the preacher that you watched. There are so many false teachers, preachers, "churches" out there now!
The only way we can lose the Father's love by something we do would be if we gained His love by something we did.