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Featured is it peter the rock? or is it jesus?

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by lambofgod43985889, Sep 3, 2019.

  1. PizzaAddict

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    1 Corinthians 10:4 King James Version (KJV)
    4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

    Deuteronomy 32:4 King James Version (KJV)
    4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.



    Moses was puniched because he hit the rock twice and it should be only once hit , and then spoken to to give water to drink because Christ died once for sins was an analogy.

    Numbers 20:11-13 King James Version (KJV)
    11 And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.
     
  2. martymonster

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    Christ is the rock. He is the rock of offence and the stone that the builders rejected.
     
  3. Norbert L

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    There is a third Christian understanding about that rock held by some people.
     
  4. RaymondG

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    It wasnt Peter's faith or Peter that was that rock.....The foundation is unrelated to Peter at all.....he just happen to be the one who spoke this foundational truth that, when realized in us...becomes the rock on which the church in established IN US.......the temples in which God dwells.
     
  5. Erik Nelson

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    A more accurate comparison would be to say "you are CRAIG and upon this CRAG I will build my church"

    as castle rock supports Edinburg, so Peter Craig supports the Church
     
  6. Albion

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    But it was his speech that was heard by each listener in his own language--a miracle which brought the conversions that are recorded.
     
  7. Albion

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    No, it only "proves" that the "rock" cannot refer to his faith alone.
     
  8. Albion

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    Yes, of course all the Apostles played their parts in the building up of the church.

    And it is appropriate to say that all of them are equal in authority.

    But here we are asking only what one line in Scripture in which Jesus used the rock analogy when speaking to Peter might have meant. It doesn't wash out everything else done by all the disciples, nor does it mean that there was no building after that first great rush of converts on Pentecost Sunday.
     
  9. Albion

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    Certainly. But that doesn't mean he couldn't be the one whom Christ tapped to do what occurred on Pentecost.
     
  10. Redwingfan9

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    Jesus wasn't talking to Peter specifically but to all of the apostles. He was telling them that the church would be built by them, they were going to be the foundation of his church. In fact that's what happened, the New Testament scripture was written by the Apostles, it is the foundation of Christ's church.
     
  11. RaymondG

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    Would you say, then, that Judas was part of the rock that the church was built on?
     
  12. Albion

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    That's what all the other people who have given their guess have done also.

    The meaning remains open to question, but I explained the most common interpretation and why it makes more sense than the4 others.
     
  13. Albion

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    Obviously not. Jesus cannot be speaking to all the Apostles when he says "Thou are Peter and upon this rock...."
     
  14. ajcarey

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    Acts 2:1-8: "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?"
     
  15. dqhall

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    There is a geology dept. college course called "petrology" it is the study of rocks. A wise carpenter or mason built a house upon a stone or concrete foundation that could not be undermined by flooding.

    In the Gospel of John Jesus referred to himself as the "good shepherd." In another passage he likened himself as the main trunk of a vine with believers as like the branches/off shoots. God was compared to a pruner of vines removing the dead wood, stunted and unproductive branches.
     
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  16. ajcarey

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    So Peter could be the Rock of the church in his unbelief?

    And why are you fighting for this and holding onto it against a mountain of evidence from Scripture saying otherwise? What is at stake here?
     
  17. Maria Billingsley

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    Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the "Chief cornerstone". He is the first stone. All the other stones will be set in reference to this stone. The 12 apostles make up the foundation which are the rest of these stones. IMO, Peter is the first rock in this series of 12. He was the first to determined the truth about the Messiah thus, became the first "rock" which eventually becomes the Church.
     
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  18. RaymondG

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    including judas?
     
  19. Albion

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    Peter wasn't an unbeliever. He was, however, a weak person in some ways. Remember that he denied Christ three times previous to Jesus' crucifixion. Peter was scared.

    Christ, however, seems to have taken all of this into consideration and still saw Peter as one of his most important Apostles. Whether or not we think that was odd, he certainly did see Peter that way.
     
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  20. RaymondG

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    The wisdom of man is foolishness to God. It is unwise to say that because I read this and reasoned that in my mind.....it must be spiritual truth. For the carnal mind cannot understand the things of the spirit.

    When we stop trying to figure things out ourselves, then and only then will truth be revealed to us. Except we become as little children.....
     
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