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Featured Is it okay to be a Christian and support same sex marriage?

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Greenleaf62, Aug 19, 2017.

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  1. Blade

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    1st .. the Father or our lord Jesus Christ.. will never make us feel guilty. So its not what I think or anyone else here. The bible makes it clear same sex in any way shape or forum is wrong.. sin. Ask Jesus.. JESUS IS REAL! He loves you and this world SO much. Were not here to please man :)

    For me.. reading what you said.. you answered it your self. "I know such as same sex marriage directly goes against whats in the bible". Then your answer is clear. It really comes down to... who do we love and serve. Jesus is REAL...that light in you is REAL!
     
  2. Dirk1540

    Dirk1540 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    This post is literally a green light to do anything you want under the sun. To be a Christian and to befriend gay people, to understand that you yourself are guilty of many sins, and for the both of you to understand your weaknesses and try to improve with them...that is one thing. To say, as a Christian, that it's ok to twist God's gift of marriage to also mean for 2 males or 2 females is to blatantly say 'It's now 2017 this Bible is too antiquated and it needs a politically correct update.' Supporting a 'Married Gay' person is different than a Christian saying to a gay person 'It's totally ok that you married the same gender.' Christianity excepts ex-cons everyday. Christianity does not tell the ex-con that it's fine to do the things that landed them in jail.
     
  3. SkyWriting

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    My perspective?

    Luk 16:10
    "The person who is trustworthy in regard to very small matters, [such as material possessions] is also [likely to be] trustworthy in regard to large matters, [such as spiritual values], and the person who does not do what is right in very small matters is also not [likely] to do what is rightin large ones.

    Rom 12:9
    Let your love be perfectly sincere. Regard with horror what is evil; cling to what is right.

    Rom 13:3
    For civil authorities are not a terror to [people of] good conduct, but to [those of] bad behavior. Would you have no dread of him who is in authority? Then do what is right and you will receive his approval and commendation.

    1 Cor 15:34
    Come to your senses; do what is right and stop sinning. Some of you do not know God [i.e., in a personal way]. I am saying this to make you ashamed.

    Col 4:1
    Masters, do what is right and fair by your slaves, for you know that you also have a Master--in Heaven.

    Philem 1:8
    For this reason, although I have great boldness in Christ to command you to do what is right,

    1 Pet 3:13
    And who is there that can hurt you if you are eager to do what is right?

    1 John 3:10
    This is how God's children-and the Devil's children-are made evident. Whoever does not do what is right is not of God, especially the one who does not love his brother.


    Sin is a personal covenant between you and God and no one elses business.
     
  4. -V-

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    I quoted you, who else would I be talking about?

    Where does it say "what is right" = my personal opinion of what is right?


    Never says "what is right" = my personal opinion of what is right.

    Never says "what is right" = my personal opinion of what is right.

    Never says "what is right" = my personal opinion of what is right.

    Never says "what is right" = my personal opinion of what is right.

    Never says "what is right" = my personal opinion of what is right.

    Never says "what is right" or "fairly" = my personal opinion of what is right or fair.

    Never says "what is right" = my personal opinion of what is right.
     
  5. Dirk1540

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    Jesus said I did not come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it. Jesus had no need to explain what the Law was because his audience were orthodox Jews. Paul on the other hand mentions it because his audience were people who did not know the Law. Show me one verse in gospels were homosexuality was a topic of confusion!
     
  6. Haipule

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    You might not think that I am ridiculously good looking but, Jesus thinks I'm to die for! :)
     
  7. disciple1

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    Jesus said with the measure you use it will be measured to you, so if you judge by the law you will be judged by the law.
    Romans chapter 4
    13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
     
  8. Haipule

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  9. Dirk1540

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    Again, a post meant to justify doing anything you want. You're searching for verses to take out of context to defend your theory of giving a green light to everything. You're not taking scripture as a whole unit you're lifting verses out that you like. The gay married man does not have a soul that is beyond saving, thanks to faith & grace. That's different then saying go ahead and marry the same sex it's all good.
     
  10. raffadalbo

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    This way of putting the issue is too simple.
    Show me one verse in the Gospels where Jesus speaks about terrorism, about Internet frauds, about stalking...
    The Gospel speaks in a more general way.

    But, with a general view, Jesus did talk about marriage and did say that marriage is between a man and a woman (Mt 19,4-5 for instance); he did talk about sex and sex desires and did warn that not all desires are acceptable in front of God (Mt 5,28 for instance).
     
  11. disciple1

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    Love covers a great many sins, 1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
    Jesus also said let the one without sin throw the first stone, so who are you obeying.
     
  12. Dirk1540

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    And immediately after Jesus told them to let the one without sin throw the first stone, he then told the woman to go sin no more! He did not tell her that she's covered so she may as well continue doing what she wants.
     
  13. salt-n-light

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    I get your confliction. It's a hard topic to bring up when this world is pumping up a mirage of what love actually is. It's two different distinct things causing the conflict (that goes for any time we are desiring to spread the gospel) 1. the fear that the approach on it with others is showing hatred to who they are. and 2. doubts that your understanding on God's stance on the topic may be wrong. The fact that your asking questions about how to approach it already show fruit and your desire to guide the people you love to the right path. You're being a fisher of men. That what God want. So lets break it down.

    The structure of marriage is between man and woman. The point of marriage is to give God glory. Marriage illustrates the nature of God and the church. As women are to submit to their husbands, the church has to submit to God. As husbands are to be the head and authority and love their wives, God loves us so that he gave up his son. As husband and wives become one, we become one with God.As husband and wife have sex and bear children, the product of God's love are the fruits of the spirit. Literally, if you see a God-fearing married couple, it would be like witnessing God's love.

    Because we are born in sin, alot of that design is skewed and ranges from lust of the flesh, to deformalities, whether physical or mental. Sometimes we are just born in it, sometimes its a generational curse, and sometimes we were conditioned, or a traumatic event happen that spiritually broke us, and leaves up open to spirits that are not of God.Historically head figures either use the brokeness of people to have them worship idols, or worship them as Gods, so idolatry, or to normalize it for personal gain.Like today, leaders who were suppose to rep God would shun those that they didn't see fit for God's kingdom. This is why Jesus often had to shut down the Pharisees and cater to those who were outcasts, that weren't clean, or weren't able to produce children, or were widows. Jesus wanted us to know that despite our sinful nature and the situations it brought us, that he love us and once we repent and deny our sinful nature, and believe in Him, we are made whole, and our lives change.That's the good news that we were commission to share.God wants us to know what love truly is in this life and eternal life. These self- identities blocks us for understanding who we truly are and how impactful and valuable our lives are to God, and these laws just strengthen that deception.

    Approach to them with the desire to guide them through the heart of God. Like how we are educated in the Word and guided by the Spirit, the same in educating them deeply of what God say and the importance of keeping the Word, and guide them with compassion, empathy, and grace. The LGBT community have seen so much of the heart of man, that its hard for them to listen and comprehend the heart of God.

    Yes, there are clear scriptures like for any other sin that it totally points that its wrong, so it wouldn't make sense to support it. But, with any kid that love to ask the " but why?" follow-up question, the harsh "because I say so" answer will never lead a child to an understanding and strong conviction on things.

    Here's a great article on how to address those of LGBT-community, its a good read:
    9 Ways to Reach Out to a Gay-Identified Friend
     
  14. Monk Brendan

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    Are you saying that anytime a man and woman fall in love, it is the Holy Spirit that brings them together? Does that include Richard Burton and Liz Taylor, both of whom were divorced at least once, then they married, divorced, remarried each other, and then divorced again?

    What about David and Joseph, and how they loved each other?
     
  15. Monk Brendan

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    Far from it. I serve God first, last, and always. But to condemn ANY sinner, and not show them God's love is WORSE than any sexual sin you can think of, for it dehumanizes one of God's creations.
     
  16. Haipule

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    I think it's funny that Paul paints a very vile picture concerning homosexuals in Romans 1 and then says in Romans 2 that if you pass judgment: your just like them!
     
  17. devin553344

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    That wasn't a reference to two people in love, it was a reference to God loving his children and establishing with them that he loves them.
     
  18. Monk Brendan

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    Forgive me for quoting myself. All of the people that died, and are dying now with AIDS were, and are lumped together in one group, SINNERS, bound to hell. Even if they got it from a needle stick, while a cop was searching the clothes of a homeless man, or Ryan White, who got AIDS from a transfusion (and many other examples of each)--Both the cop and Ryan died, BTW. Yet the straight community made ALL people with AIDS as VILLAINS and sinners--yes, even Ryan White. How is that justice? How is that equal under the eyes of the community, or the law? And how many GOOD men DIED, thinking that God hated them, simply because a virus had entered into their system?

    Please forgive the vehemence, but I have had too many friends--friends that I cared for, and loved, die of AIDS to be so impartial and uncaring as some of the "good Christians" here on these Fora.
     
  19. Monk Brendan

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    But that isn't what you SAID!
     
  20. Dirk1540

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    It's not about not passing judgement it's about how you pass judgement. It's about taking the log out of your eye before you point out the spec in your brother's eye. Then again that's Paul, his life was far more pure 'At that point in his life' than mine. But I think we've all seen what Paul is talking about though, I think we have all experienced that abrasive arrogant Christian who scolds, and I think we have all also experienced that gentle humble Christian who gently points things out in a non accusatory manor. Unfortunately I'm guilty at times of not being the later ugh.
     
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