Is it okay to be a Christian and support same sex marriage?

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Yeah, I'd submit that many posting here do. They're perfectly willing to talk about sins that don't concern them. It's much more comfortable that facing their own. I find straight sinners' obsession with gay sin both curious and amusing.

This is an online discussion forum. A question was asked. People respond. That's how this works. No one is obsessed. As a theological Liberal, you are just trying your best to defect from the issue at hand.
 
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I find straight sinners' obsession with gay sin both curious and amusing.

That's not what stirs the pot. What stirs the pot is the push for a politically correct version of Christianity that gives a green light to gay marriage. Years ago I slept with a married woman, I would have no problems agreeing with a 250 plus post thread telling me how wrong I was.
 
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This was probably the best worded post in here, except for murder chalk me up as being guilty of every sin here...
No, a Christian cannot walk in the light of Christ and celebrate sin. You cannot serve two masters.

Change the thought to any other sin and ask yourself if that is ok:

Can you be a Christian and support and celebrate lying?
Can you be a Christian and support and celebrate theft?
Can you be a Christian and support and celebrate adultery?
Can you be a Christian and support and celebrate blasphemy?
Can you be a Christian and support and celebrate idolatry?
Can you be a Christian and support and celebrate murder?


It is completely contradictory and inconsistent for a person to claim that they are following in obedience to Christ and support sin, any sin, including the sin of homosexuality, and God has defined homosexuality to be sin.
 
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This is an online discussion forum. A question was asked. People respond. That's how this works. No one is obsessed. As a theological Liberal, you are just trying your best to defect from the issue at hand.

So how many times in how many ways around CF does the subject need to be discussed? I submit it's the #1 "sin topic" by post volume. And it's a subject generally only discussed by persons who don't practice it, hence an obsession of a sort.

And you may not know all about my theology that you think you know.
 
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That's not what stirs the pot. What stirs the pot is the push for a politically correct version of Christianity that gives a green light to gay marriage. Years ago I slept with a married woman, I would have no problems agreeing with a 250 plus post thread telling me how wrong I was.

Yes. If someone starts a thread asking, " Is it okay to be a Christian and support adultery?" would we not expect a unanimous: NO!, without anyone being called a Pharisee for saying so?
 
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Yes. If someone starts a thread asking, " Is it okay to be a Christian and support adultery?" would we not expect a unanimous: NO!, without anyone being called a Pharisee for saying such?
The reason there are so many replies is because people have a problem with there not be a unanimous No! And those who choose not to condemn are being called supporters of gay marriage, adultery and even murder........all which may be worse than being called a Pharisee......then they complain about being called a Pharisee for stating their own opinion.

Now it is clear the verse that states when you judge you do the same thing that you are condemning
 
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To be accepted among the religious, one much condemn every sin in the book. If you don't you are accused of being a supporter of every sin in the book. I guess this is one of the reasons why Jesus wasn't popular which the religious folks......Maybe he should have condemned the Adulterer....Then He wouldn't have been viewed as a blasphemer.

If we choose to condemn instead of seeing no fault.....Who are we trying to be more like?
 
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Scripture is against sex outside of marriage and infidelity.
That's what the references are to.
It just says man with another man and women with other women. It never says, "except when they're married." Where do you get that distinction from?
 
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It just says man with another man and women with other women. It never says, "except when they're married." Where do you get that distinction from?

They were not allowed to be married.
So the fact they were having sex outside of
marriage is the focus context of the complaint.
The complaint is nothing more than a variation
on adultery. Which is a sin of course.

Even fish without scales is an abomination! to God.
 
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Is it okay to be a Christian and support same sex marriage?
Let me start off by apologizing if I'm putting this in the wrong part of the forum. This is something that's been bothering me for a while and I'm hoping to get some opinions. I support not only same sex marriage, but also the LGBT community in general. Can I still be a Christian despite this? I know that something such as same sex marriage directly goes against what's in the Bible (marriage being between one man and one woman). I'm really conflicted here. I feel guilty, but I can't change how I feel. Thanks for reading.

Regarding the title of your thread and your question...

Does the Bible indicate that it does?
 
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They were not allowed to be married.
So the fact they were having sex outside of
marriage is the focus context of the complaint.
The complaint is nothing more than a variation
on adultery. Which is a sin of course.

Even fish without scales is an abomination! to God.
You're still not showing anywhere that the text indicates it's wrong because it's outside of marriage, rather than just being wrong in and of itself. Just claiming it over and over doesn't validate your claim.
 
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You're still not showing anywhere that the text indicates it's wrong because it's outside of marriage, rather than just being wrong in and of itself. Just claiming it over and over doesn't validate your claim.

For that we need to decide if sin has a purpose
and is not an arbitrary rule to follow.

  • Unclean things (Lev. 7:21)
  • Customs of pagans (Lev. 18:30)
  • Idols (2 Chr. 15:8; 1 Pet. 4:3)
  • Cheating (Mic. 6:10)
  • Lost souls (Rev. 21:8)
  • A froward man (perverse; one who turns aside (Pro. 3:32; 11:20)
  • A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17)
  • A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22)
  • Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17)
  • A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18)
  • Feet that are quick to sin (Pro. 6:18)
  • A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19)
  • A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19)
  • Wickedness (Pro. 8:7)
  • A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1)
  • Sacrifices of the wicked (Pro. 15:8; 21:27)
  • The way of the wicked (Pro. 15:9)
  • The thoughts of the wicked (Pro. 15:26)
  • The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5)
  • Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15)
  • Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15)
  • Divers, dishonest weights (Pro. 20:10, 23)
  • Divers, dishonest measures (Pro. 20:10)
  • Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9)
  • Prayers of the rebel (Pro. 28:9)
  • Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day (Lev. 7:18)
  • Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed (Dt. 7:25-26)
  • Any Idolatrous practices (Dt. 12:31; 13:14; 17:4; 18:9; 20:18; 29:17)
  • Offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice (Dt. 17:1)
  • Any traffic with demons (Dt. 18:7-12)
  • Bringing the hire of a harlot or sodomite into God's house (Dt. 23:18)
  • Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4)
  • Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16)
  • Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15)
  • Idols of Ammon (1 Ki. 11:5)
  • Idols of Moab (1 Ki. 11:7; 2 Ki. 11:13)
  • Idols of Zidon (2 Ki. 23:13)
  • Incense offered by hypocrites (Isa. 1:13)
  • Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17)
  • Offering human sacrifices (Jer. 32:35)
  • Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Hardness of heart (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Injustice (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Worship of anti-Christ (Dan. 11:31; 12:11; Mt. 24:15; 2 Th. 2:4; Rev. 13)
  • Things highly esteemed by man (Lk. 16:15)
 
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You're still not showing anywhere that the text indicates it's wrong because it's outside of marriage, rather than just being wrong in and of itself. Just claiming it over and over doesn't validate your claim.

And then there is the fact that Sin is decided by you alone and not others.
It is based on what you hear, what you see, and your emotional state.

22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin.
Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin.

John 9:41
"If you were blind," Jesus replied, "you would not be guilty of sin.
But
since you claim you can see, your guilt remains."

John 15:24
If I had not done among them the works that no one else did,
they would not be guilty of sin;
but now they have seen and hated both Me and My Father.
 
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For that we need to decide if sin has a purpose
and is not an arbitrary rule to follow.

  • Unclean things (Lev. 7:21)
  • Customs of pagans (Lev. 18:30)
  • Idols (2 Chr. 15:8; 1 Pet. 4:3)
  • Cheating (Mic. 6:10)
  • Lost souls (Rev. 21:8)
  • A froward man (perverse; one who turns aside (Pro. 3:32; 11:20)
  • A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17)
  • A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22)
  • Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17)
  • A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18)
  • Feet that are quick to sin (Pro. 6:18)
  • A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19)
  • A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19)
  • Wickedness (Pro. 8:7)
  • A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1)
  • Sacrifices of the wicked (Pro. 15:8; 21:27)
  • The way of the wicked (Pro. 15:9)
  • The thoughts of the wicked (Pro. 15:26)
  • The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5)
  • Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15)
  • Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15)
  • Divers, dishonest weights (Pro. 20:10, 23)
  • Divers, dishonest measures (Pro. 20:10)
  • Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9)
  • Prayers of the rebel (Pro. 28:9)
  • Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day (Lev. 7:18)
  • Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed (Dt. 7:25-26)
  • Any Idolatrous practices (Dt. 12:31; 13:14; 17:4; 18:9; 20:18; 29:17)
  • Offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice (Dt. 17:1)
  • Any traffic with demons (Dt. 18:7-12)
  • Bringing the hire of a harlot or sodomite into God's house (Dt. 23:18)
  • Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4)
  • Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16)
  • Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15)
  • Idols of Ammon (1 Ki. 11:5)
  • Idols of Moab (1 Ki. 11:7; 2 Ki. 11:13)
  • Idols of Zidon (2 Ki. 23:13)
  • Incense offered by hypocrites (Isa. 1:13)
  • Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17)
  • Offering human sacrifices (Jer. 32:35)
  • Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Hardness of heart (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Injustice (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
  • Worship of anti-Christ (Dan. 11:31; 12:11; Mt. 24:15; 2 Th. 2:4; Rev. 13)
  • Things highly esteemed by man (Lk. 16:15)
And we need to do that... why, other than because you say so?
 
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I support not only same sex marriage, but also the LGBT community in general. Can I still be a Christian despite this?
There are two parts to this. First, supporting same sex marriage. Second an undefined support of 'the LGBT community'. It depends on what that second support means. If it means standing against violence done to LGBT people, that's good. If that means assisting groups like Courage, that's good. If it means loving people, but urging what is best for them, that's good. If it means endorsing the LGBT agenda to destroy the Christian concept of marriage, that would be very bad. Since I don't know what your meaning is with regard to your support of 'the LGBT community', I only refer to your support of same sex marriage immediately below.

Not really. Or yes, but not an informed and obedient Christian. A Christian needs to be informed by Scripture. A Christian looks to the practice of other Christians over all the centuries as well, as an adjunct to what Scripture means. And a Christian pays attention to authentic teaching of those authorized to teach the faith. Those all line up against same sex marriage and line up with complementary marriage between one man and one woman. That is the simple Christian norm. It is an odd Christian that rejects all of that. To do so knowingly and willingly and deliberately is to have adopted heresy and in a real sense to have decided to stand somewhere other than in the Christian faith. To have sort of 'gone with the tide' is not so bad as long as one catches on and starts swimming against the current.
I know that something such as same sex marriage directly goes against what's in the Bible (marriage being between one man and one woman). I'm really conflicted here. I feel guilty, but I can't change how I feel. Thanks for reading.
You are right that same sex marriage goes against what's in the Bible. Jesus was very direct when he spoke of marriage as between a man and a woman.

"Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female [Genesis 1:27], and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh” [Genesis 2:24]? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder."

That's Jesus as recorded in Matthew 19. No man and man marriage or woman and woman marriage. Just a man and a woman. If you disagree, best to be done with Jesus entirely. You don't seem ready to do that though.

You can change how you feel by willing to follow the truth. It doesn't happen overnight, but eventually conforming your thoughts to the truth reshapes your feelings. You can still have concern for those with same sex attraction, which is a good thing generally, but you can come to see what God intended for marriage rather than what the cultural juggernaut wants you to feel about marriage.

Truth is not a 'feelings' thing. The Scriptures, the lived experience of Christians through the ages, and the teaching of Catholic and Orthodox bishops is uniform on this matter. Homosexual acts are wrong. We should in no way approve of such acts.

That does not mean hating people with same sex attraction. It does mean that we should love them enough to not abandon them to their desires, rather to hold out a hope of a life with Christ. We do not love those with same sex attractions if we encourage them to sin.
 
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And then there is the fact that Sin is decided by you alone and not others.
It is based on what you hear, what you see, and your emotional state.

22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin.
Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin.

John 9:41
"If you were blind," Jesus replied, "you would not be guilty of sin.
But
since you claim you can see, your guilt remains."

John 15:24
If I had not done among them the works that no one else did,
they would not be guilty of sin;
but now they have seen and hated both Me and My Father.
That's about sinning out of ignorance. Since the Bible says it's wrong, you are not ignorant of it, and you therefore have no excuse for putting personal feelings ahead of God's Word.
 
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And we need to do that... why, other than because you say so?

Because I decide that's the right thing to do.

James 4:17
Therefore, whoever knows the right thing to do, yet fails to do it, is guilty of sin.
 
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That's about sinning out of ignorance. Since the Bible says it's wrong, you are not ignorant of it, and you therefore have no excuse for putting personal feelings ahead of God's Word.

But it does not say what you say it does. You are claiming that, wrongly.
 
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Because I decide that's the right thing to do.

James 4:17
Therefore, whoever knows the right thing to do, yet fails to do it, is guilty of sin.
And once again (how many times does this need to be pointed out to you??), it never says that "the right thing to do" is what your personal opinion says it is.
 
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