Is it more important to value the Word of God over the US Constitution?

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This thread and the two other threads on the very same subject remind me of this quote:

“When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

I think that might actually happen if this country ever falls under a Christian theocracy. God forbid that it ever does because a theocracy will only bring chaos, ruin and devastation in its wake.
 
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This thread and the two other threads on the very same subject remind me of this quote:

“When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

I think that might actually happen if this country ever falls under a Christian theocracy. God forbid that it ever does because a theocracy will only bring chaos, ruin and devastation in its wake.
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Anyone who actually wants to live under a theocracy is welcome to move to one. I will gladly pay for your plane ticket out of my country.

It's too bad for the OP that the Confederacy didn't win independence from the Union. I remember that the CSA Constitution, which has similar language to the US Constitution in many respects, does mention God in its Preamble:

We, the people of the Confederate States, each State acting in its sovereign and independent character, in order to form a permanent federal government, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God do ordain and establish this Constitution for the Confederate States of America.

Avalon Project - Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861

Though that might not be enough for him, since there is no mention of Jesus. And it also repeats the language of the 1st Amendment verbatim in its Article I.
 
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It's too bad for the OP that the Confederacy didn't win independence from the Union. I remember that the CSA Constitution, which has similar language to the US Constitution in many respects, does mention God in its Preamble:

We, the people of the Confederate States, each State acting in its sovereign and independent character, in order to form a permanent federal government, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God do ordain and establish this Constitution for the Confederate States of America.

Avalon Project - Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861

Though that might not be enough for him, since there is no mention of Jesus. And it also repeats the language of the 1st Amendment verbatim in its Article I.

Why did you suggest that I would want to live in a nation that practices slavery, JM? Slavery isn’t loving thy neighbor as thyself (Matthew 22:36-40).
 
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Why did you suggest that I would want to live in a nation that practices slavery, JM? Slavery isn’t loving thy neighbor as thyself (Matthew 22:36-40).

You do live in a country that practiced slavery for 89 years and then after slavery was finally abolished in 1965, that same country systematically segregated and discriminated against the descendants of those freed slaves for the next 99 years until the Civil Rights Movement in 1964. You live in a country that once made it legal to consider a slave three-fifths of a human being. That's not even mentioning how this country has treated Native Americans and other minorites since its very inception.

You live in a country that spent 188 years of its 242 years of existence denying minorities civil rights and equality to white people. The Confederate States of America only had legalized slavery for 4 years but the United States of America had legalized slavery for 89 years and enforced the Jim Crow Laws.

It wasn't the Confederate States that claimed to have been founded upon freedom, liberty and justice for all either. So, please spare us your indignation against the Confederacy for allowing slavery.
 
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Why did you suggest that I would want to live in a nation that practices slavery, JM? Slavery isn’t loving thy neighbor as thyself (Matthew 22:36-40).

Loving thy neighbor would include; not imposing your religion on them, in public schools.
 
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Loving thy neighbor would include; not imposing your religion on them, in public schools.

I wouldn't allow my children to be in a school where a religion, Christianity or otherwise, was shoved down their throats by the teachers or other school faculty. I would take legal action, if I could.
 
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You do live in a country that practiced slavery for 89 years and then after slavery was finally abolished in 1965, that same country systematically segregated and discriminated against the descendants of those freed slaves for the next 99 years until the Civil Rights Movement in 1964.

Time paradox...
 
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The person you're addressing, Junker P Hoodwink, has already asserted explicitly in another thread that the Spanish Inquisition was the epitome of a godly government action.
I see. Perhaps he can show his loyalty to his cause by volunteering to be first in line to be subject to an American Inquisition for supporting the Republican party, against the divinely appointed authority of royalty & royal law.
 
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I see. Perhaps he can show his loyalty to his cause by volunteering to be first in line to be subject to an American Inquisition for supporting the Republican party, against the divinely appointed authority of royalty & royal law.
He's probably a loyalist holdout. England has a state church. Ironically though, England seems to be quite a bit less religious than America.
 
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I disagree with the premise of your response. In reality, it's possible to have a state religion without it becoming corrupted. After all, the Word of God cannot be corrupted.
The framers of the constitution had the Church of England in mind. During the colonial period you were FORCED to tithe to the CoE on penalty of jail or death. Even if you were in another denomination like Presbyterian (aka Church of Scotland) or even Jewish.

That was what they were trying to avoid.
 
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