Is income inequality good or bad ?

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It depends on what you mean by income inequality. Trying to make all outcomes equal (ultimate socialism) is just as bad as allowing unbridled behavior (ultimate capitalism). America was never perfect, but I do think that the founder's fear of giving the government power was well warranted. It is made up of fallen men, and so any attempt to eliminate all inequality through it is bound to end in disaster.
 
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It is a bad thing; when the CEO of a multi-billion dollar company have a huge difference in ratio in their wages compared to hourly employees. They are in the lap of luxury while paying the faces of their company starvation wages, the very people they rely on to make the company look good for them. Compensate them well and in turn they will have incentive to be productive to the company. In simpler terms take care of the employees and their gratitude will motivate them to care for the patrons. Corporate greed has a hand in wage inequality. Many conservatives take pleasure in looking down on people in entry-level jobs and assuming they deserve to live in poverty. Something to think about; at the end of the day you'll still need someone to serve your food, stock your grocery shelves, drive your taxis, check you out at the register (even with the self-service kiosks don't even get me started on how many people complain why we don't have more checkout lines open.) You may see my job as unimportant in your life but boy are you grateful when I open another checkout line, so perhaps for that brief moment in time, my job briefly has more significance. If that's not enough incentive for income equality, the gap between wealthy and poor is increasingly widening. It is troubling in an economy where no one has money. Small business suffers, when it comes down to it, I like to compare the flow of money in an economy to the human body. The distribution of money is like blood flow; it is dangerous when it accumulates to the top and fails to flow through the body, resulting in a stroke. The economy suffers when all the wealth is hoarded by the elite. Lower and middle class people will consume goods with money; wealthy people invest the money not in jobs, but in offshore bank accounts. Something to chew on..

Your argument doesn't make much sense. You talked of incentive, but it's income equality that kills incentive.
 
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I see your point that more responsibility=better pay, but I think it's unethical for a greedy elite to hoard all the profit while not adequately compensating the people at the bottom who play a role in making the company a success. No one should be working full-time and not be paid enough to support themselves, the cost of living continues to rise while wages are stagnating. You also forget that it is not just fast food workers who are underpaid, what about nurses aids, social workers, teachers, caregivers, etc.? In short everyone who works plays a role in the function of society. I find it unsavory to look down on people and assume they deserve to live in poverty, it disgusts me that conservatives think poorly of people in entry-level jobs without recognizing that they are working to earn a living and not sitting on their rumps. There are people with degrees still working entry level jobs because there are no jobs available. I'm not talking just for useless majors, for example I know someone who just got his master's in healthcare administration and still working fast food because he hasn't found a job in that field.

Are you greedy?
 
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Although individual choice will affect one person's standing, it is more of a result of government and society decisions and external events. A historical example is the taxation policy of the Byzantine Empire was to tax the land. If you were a small farmer, you might not be able to afford the tax yourself, especially if your crops had been destroyed in Arab raids. You might then sell your land to the local lord so that he would have to pay the tax and send soldiers to defend it. You would still be farming but just not have the financial responsibility of the land. We still have these kinds of rules where one type of income, say your paycheck, is taxed at one rate but dividends are taxed at another. The idea is to encourage investment but the long-term effect is that those who can live off of dividends (i.e. high-wealth) are taxed at a lower rate than the schlep who has to work for a living.
 
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Very often we heard about complains about income inequality in the media. But is it really good or bad ?


I think the video is a fair presentation.

Income inequality is not automatically a bad thing.

Socialist countries have never created a successful economic system. One only has to look at Russia, China or Cuba to see how Socialism is a failure and it keeps people in oppression.
 
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Socialist countries have never created a successful economic system. One only has to look at Russia, China or Cuba to see how Socialism is a failure and it keeps people in oppression.

Venezuelans are now eating cats, dogs, donkeys, horses and even pink flamingos to survive, according to Miami Herald.



 
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From the posts in this thread it is clear that the vast majority of people have no idea what is meant by "income inequality" in terms of it being a problem in the US. People are clearly buying the ridiculous, ignorant notion that is put forth by radical right-wing big-mouths that "income inequality" is merely the fact that people don't have "equal" incomes; they position it as though the opposing view is absolute communism where everybody has "equal income", such as a supermarket cashier having the same income as a doctor. That's just stupid.

The problem of "income inequality" is not the absolute inequality of incomes but the scale of the inequality. It is a matter of the fact that the top tier of the wealthy are increasing in income proportionally greater than the bottom groups.

US Income Inequality on Rise for Decades is now Highest Since 1928

Does anyone know what happened when income inequality got that high in 1928? A little thing called "The Great Depression" - ring a bell?

From the article:
"In 1928, the top 1% of families received 23.9% of all pretax income, while the bottom 90% received 50.7%. But the Depression and World War II dramatically reshaped the nation’s income distribution: By 1944 the top 1%’s share was down to 11.3%, while the bottom 90% were receiving 67.5%, levels that would remain more or less constant for the next three decades.

But starting in the mid- to late 1970s, the uppermost tier’s income share began rising dramatically, while that of the bottom 90% started to fall. The top 1% took heavy hits from the dot-com crash and the Great Recession but recovered fairly quickly: Saez’s preliminary estimates for 2012 (which will be updated next month) have that group receiving nearly 22.5% of all pretax income, while the bottom 90%’s share is below 50% for the first time ever (49.6%, to be precise).

A century ago, Saez notes that the highest earners derived much of their income from earnings on the accumulated wealth of past generations. By contrast, “[t]he evidence suggests that top incomes earners today are…“working rich,” highly paid employees or new entrepreneurs who have not yet accumulated fortunes comparable to those accumulated during the Gilded Age.”

Americans aren’t unaware of these trends. More than half (61%) of Americans said the U.S. economic system favors the wealthy, while just 35% said it’s fair to most people, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in March. A similar share (66%) of Americans said the gap between rich and poor had increased in the past five years; nearly three-quarters of respondents said the rich-poor gap was either a “very big” (47%) or “moderately big” (27%) problem."

If you're not in that top 1% and you think there is no income inequality problem then you are either ignorant or self-loathing.

And if you truly believe that when people complain about an "income inequality" problem that they mean they wish everyone had the same exact salary then you are extremely ignorant and/or gullible.

I work for a major Wall St. firm, right at their headquarters in Manhattan, and I know what's going on because I'm on the inside of one of the biggest Wall St. firms (we probably manage money for most of you). For the past 6+ years I have seen the Dow hit record after record, the US has rebounded from the recession in record fashion, and salaries have remained flat. What's the sense in that? What does that tell you? If you have any understanding of anything then it should tell you clearly that the record-breaking profits are being siphoned off to the top players in finance and not being re-invested into labor. That can only go on so long before there is a collapse. Our GDP is being wasted by being hoarded by the top tiers of the wealthy. It might as well be thrown down the toilet.
 
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Very often we heard about complains about income inequality in the media. But is it really good or bad ?

In Christ's parable, the men were not given an equal number of talents nor did the men equally use the talents given them. So I do not understand the idea that inequality is a bad thing for what if all were equally like the man with one talent?
 
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Fat, hormones, IGF1, too much protein. All bad.

It's good to know you read the article, especially the line "The truth is actually somewhere in the middle," which is making the point that it is a mix of good and bad depending on what cheese you eat and how much.

It's also interesting that you think fat pegs the scale as an absolute bad (Why do we need fat. Why do we need to eat fat? Fat in our diet)

Further, that you had to qualify your reply with "too much protein" in order to hold your position.

And finally, that you want to argue this at all, as it was only a metaphorical answer to the OP - something I think you already know ... and also that you already understood my point even if you pretend not to.

But, hey, it is REALLY important that you establish you are right about dietary choices regarding cheese.
 
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It's good to know you read the article, especially the line "The truth is actually somewhere in the middle," which is making the point that it is a mix of good and bad depending on what cheese you eat and how much.

It's also interesting that you think fat pegs the scale as an absolute bad (Why do we need fat. Why do we need to eat fat? Fat in our diet)

Further, that you had to qualify your reply with "too much protein" in order to hold your position.

And finally, that you want to argue this at all, as it was only a metaphorical answer to the OP - something I think you already know ... and also that you already understood my point even if you pretend not to.

But, hey, it is REALLY important that you establish you are right about dietary choices regarding cheese.

You started it.

Humans should drink the lactations of other species, and adults shouldn't at all. Milk is for kids, just like Trix Cereal.
 
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If by “income inequality” you mean two people doing the same job to the same standard but being paid different wages, then that’s one discussion. If you’re talking about the reality that different jobs will pay different wages, then I’m not sure wherein the problem lies.

A capitalist economy operates on the basic principle of supply and demand. If something is in high demand but short supply (certain tech jobs) then people will pay a premium for them. If something is in extremely high supply but lower demand (fast food workers, for example) then people will pay a lesser amount for them. If 20 people want to buy an apple and there are only two of them in the cart, the grocer can charge a premium. But if he has 20 apples and only two people want to buy one, those two people can pay very little for them.

The reason socialism doesn’t work is it caters to the lowest common denominator and eliminates incentive for excellence. If a medical doctor makes no more money than someone who sweeps a parking lot, why would someone go six figures into debt and take ten years or more to become an MD? Hand me a broom, hand me my check, see you later.
 
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Humans should not drink the lactations of other species, and adults shouldn't at all. Milk is for kids, just like Trix Cereal.

First, I had to correct your post (underlined) to say what I think you intended.

Second, given you've not cited any material to back your position, I have no reason to accept anything you've said.

Third, take a look at Genesis 18:8.

You started it.

No. Rather, you're demonstrating an obtuse understanding of what I said. If you would like to change that impression, have at it.
 
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