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Is homosexual “love” immoral?

Discussion in 'Archived - Ethics & Morality' started by chnchris, Apr 27, 2007.

  1. Krete

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    Can I see evidence of this not just being another form of fluid transmission? I.E., how is anal sex specifically a risk factor beyond that of unprotected sex?
     
  2. chnchris

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    As a Christian we are required to spread the Truth as revealed
    by God and His Church. And also as a Christian we expect to
    be persecuted for doing it. We do it out of love, not hate.
     
  3. chnchris

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    Big difference, you can have children.
     
  4. Krete

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    Just how much have you been persecuted? I really would like to know...
    Hmm, does that love include sex? If not, what's the point of all the AIDS statistics? Seems love does not have to equal sex...
    The old "marriage is purely for procreation" bit again? What about infertile couples? Can gays not adopt?
     
  5. seebs

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    It's probably true that the infection rate is higher in gays than in straights in the US. Total numbers are a tougher sell.

    The world leadership, though, is clearly with straights in countries where birth control is frowned upon; one large institution told people in Africa that condoms caused AIDS, and infection rates in some parts of Africa are in excess of 20-30% of the straight population -- which is to say, more than ten times the total gay population, let alone the infected population.

    This is a serious problem which could cause catastrophic die-offs and collapse of infrastructure affecting numbers of people well in excess of the total population of the US.

    It seems to me that, right around now, what's needed is less finger-pointing at what may have happened in the 1980s, and more attempts to deal with the current major means of transmission.

    Ironically, the belief that gayness of sex is a significant factor has greatly increased the transmission rate among straights, who have been given the impression (indirectly) that they are at a very low risk.
     
  6. chnchris

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    These stats are for only 33 states and do not include
    California, do i need to say what that would do to the
    #s?! Also, most likely many heterosexuals also had
    gay contact; so these #s are not a true picture.

    Besides, it really doesn't matter what i say about
    homosexuality on here, those who are opposed are
    either gay or non-Christians and have not the Holy
    Spirit in their lives. So sad. :crossrc:

    Lord have mercy.
     
  7. chnchris

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    One more time for you:

    So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it.” (Gen 1:27-28)


    So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.” For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. (Gen 2:21-24)

    Jesus reaffirms the sacrament of marriage in the NT:


    And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH’? “So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” (Mt 19:4-6)
     
  8. Krete

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    http://www.avert.org/usastatg.htm
    Looks like both in 2005 and in total, Heterosexual causes are greater
    What now?

    I know a good bit of straight, Christian (mostly Catholic, so don't bring that up) friends who find nothing wrong with homosexuality.

    Oh, and for future reference, I'm straight.
     
  9. Asimov

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    Please, your statistics only support the idea that promiscuous unprotected sex isn't recommended, and that sharing needles isn't recommended.

    Doesn't show anything about homosexuality.

    Black people make up the majority of people infected in the US, does that mean that it is wrong to be black?

    Statistics don't prove anything.
     
  10. Krete

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    Except, you know, celibate priests.
     
  11. Asimov

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    Hmmm...don't see anything about condemning homosexuality.
     
  12. chnchris

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    When interpreting Scripture you need to interpret it in
    totality, not by selecting 1 verse. This is how people can
    justify practically anything using the Bible. Go back and
    read the verses i posted previously, especially regarding
    the sins of Sodom (btw, where we get word sodomy)and
    Gomorrah.


    So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it.” (Gen 1:27-28)


    So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.” For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. (Gen 2:21-24)

    1 man + 1 woman = marriage
    He did not say a man and a man to be joined together and fruitful.


    Jesus reaffirms the sacrament of marriage in the NT:


    And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH’? “So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” (Mt 19:4-6)



    In His Love & Mercy,
    chris
     
  13. chnchris

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    Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."(Mt 19:11-13)
     
  14. chnchris

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    Read Post #1
     
  15. Krete

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    Well, you see, that's the thing. It's an impossibility. How else would the world have been populated?

    However, that is not a problem now. If anything, the world's too crowded, and because of Exodus and such crazies, we're losing a valuable part of population control. With more heterosexuals procreating, the population's growing too much.

    Did I just refer to homosexuality as birth control? I think it's time to sleep...
     
  16. Goodchild

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    You're being persecuted? What a freaking laugh! :D:D

    Yeah, I see every day where christians are going around saying "I got beat up today because people wouldn't stop being gay!", "being straight is so miserable and everyone hates me for it, i'm going to kill myself" and so on.

    Buddy, no one in this country gets so depressed to the point of suicide because they are hated and persecuted for being christian. You don't even know the slightest inkling of what real persecution is and to go around crying 'persecution' all the time just makes your religion all the more disgusting.

    If I took your viewpoint, then "out of love" i'd be pushing for a constitutional amendment to ban religion completely to save you all from the mental virus you've been afflicted with. "Out of love" i'd go out and find a christian to beat to a pulp and hang from barb-wire like they did to Matt Shepherd. "Out of love" i'd demand the government outlaw marriage for christians, because delusional people shouldn't be allowed to raise children.

    Stop with the "out of love" and "hate the sin" garbage, you people haven't been fooling us for a long time now so you might as well stop fooling yourself.
     
  17. Krete

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    Seems that applies here, huh?
     
  18. Asimov

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    I did, and all of it was Jewish law with a smidgen of something about lusting.
     
  19. CCGirl

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    I also have one adopted child.:thumbsup:
     
  20. SimplyMe

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    And so do most heterosexuals. Therefore both have a chance of contracting AIDS and other STDs. What does that have to do with homosexual love being immoral?


    Actually you didn't, if you go back and check.


    That is true yet, you are unable to prove that what you believe is true. Bible scholars nor the various Christian sects don't agree on exactly what the Bible says about homosexuals -- so who's to say that you are the one with the truth? And I'll only accept God as an answer if you actually speak with him face to face as I also speak to God through prayer and know what He has told me.

    Edit: I forgot to add that you also didn't address my point. The statistics posted on another thread that came from Paul Cameron are false, yet they are frequently quoted by those wanting to condemn homosexuals. There is also the claim made on this thread that the APA removed homosexuality from the DSM for political reasons; again, the evidence shows this is false. The DSM was changed 35 years ago, Cameron published his "studies" 25 years ago; why do people that love truth
    (assuming these people are Christian like they say they are) keep spreading false information decades later?
     
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