Is Hell Really Eternal?

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This is the "truth" as disseminated by the WBTS and as believed by all their followers, without question. But here is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, according to the Jews before and during the time of Jesus.

Based on historical evidence, below, the Hell:No! view being presented in this forum and the above post, is not Biblical. The Jews, in Israel before and during the time of Jesus believed in a place of unending, fiery torment and they called it both Gehinnom/Gehenna and Sheol. When Jesus taught about "Eternal punishment,""the fire of hell where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die," and "cast into a fiery furnace where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth," that supported and validated the existing view of eternal hell. Jesus was born into and grew to maturity in that culture. He knew what His countrymen, the Jews, believed about hell. If the Jews were wrong Jesus would have corrected them. He did not, thus their teaching on hell was correct. Here is historical evidence to support this.



The place where children were sacrificed to the god Moloch was originally in the "valley of the son of Hinnom," to the south of Jerusalem (Josh. xv. 8, passim; II Kings xxiii. 10; Jer. ii. 23; vii. 31-32; xix. 6, 13-14). For this reason the valley was deemed to be accursed, and "Gehenna" therefore soon became a figurative equivalent for "hell." Hell, like paradise, was created by God (Sotah 22a); [Note, this is according to the ancient Jews, long before the Christian era, NOT the bias of Christian translators.]

It is assumed in general that sinners go to hell immediately after their death. The famous teacher Johanan b. Zakkai wept before his death because he did not know whether he would go to paradise or to hell (Ber. 28b). The pious go to paradise, and sinners to hell (B.M. 83b).

But as regards the heretics, etc., and Jeroboam, Nebat's son, hell shall pass away, but they shall not pass away" (R. H. 17a; comp. Shab. 33b). All that descend into Gehenna shall come up again, with the exception of three classes of men: those who have committed adultery, or shamed their neighbors, or vilified them (B. M. 58b).[/i]

As mentioned above, heretics and the Roman oppressors go to Gehenna, and the same fate awaits the Persians, the oppressors of the Babylonian Jews (Ber. 8b). When Nebuchadnezzar descended into hell, [Sheol] all its inhabitants were afraid that he was coming to rule over them (Shab. 149a; comp. Isa. xiv. 9-10). The Book of Enoch also says that it is chiefly the heathen who are to be cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgment (x. 6, xci. 9, et al). "The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity" (Judith xvi. 17). The sinners in Gehenna will be filled with pain when God puts back the souls into the dead bodies on the Day of Judgment, according to Isa. xxxiii. 11 (Sanh. 108b).


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Talmud -Tractate Rosh Hashanah Chapter 1.

The school of Hillel says: . . . but as for Minim, [follower of Jesus] informers and disbelievers, who deny the Torah, or Resurrection, or separate themselves from the congregation, or who inspire their fellowmen with dread of them, or who sin and cause others to sin, as did Jeroboam the son of Nebat and his followers, they all descend to Gehenna, and are judged there from generation to generation, as it is said [Isa. lxvi. 24]: "And they shall go forth and look upon the carcases of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched." Even when Gehenna will be destroyed, they will not be consumed, as it is written [Psalms, xlix. 15]: "And their forms wasteth away in the nether world," which the sages comment upon to mean that their forms shall endure even when the grave is no more. Concerning them Hannah says [I Sam. ii. 10]: "The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces."


I don't think the opinions of these ancient, uninspired Jews which history tells us had become thoroughly steeped in Greek pagan ideas including a version of the afterlife to which you subscribe, have anything to do with the infallibility of Scripture.

Only those who "seek for glory, honor, and IMMORTALITY" will be granted eternal life, while those who seek NOT for it will NOT receive it. "If any man hateth his brother, he is a murderer, and ye know no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." If no murder hath eternal life abiding in him now or ever, how can he have eternal suffering later?
 
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Who said anything about existing before we existed?

Good, you admit that we do not begin our existence up there, but down here, which is exactly what Genesis 2:7 says. So, then why don't you agree that at death only that which CAME HERE from heaven is that which RETURNS BACK to heaven? Which, of course, disqualifies this idea of a "spirit man"...because he can't RETURN anywhere...because, by your own admission, this "spirit man" has never been anywhere but here.
 
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Good, you admit that we do not begin our existence up there, but down here, which is exactly what Genesis 2:7 says. So, then why don't you agree that at death only that which CAME from heaven is that which RETURNS to heaven? Which, of course, disqualifies this idea of a "spirit man"...because he can't RETURN anywhere...because, by your own admission, this "spirit man" can ONLY begin down here!
God is the Father of our spirits.


God created our spirits.

How do you ever get that means we do not have a spirit?
God created our spirits, and the scriptures say our spirits have a form.

Hebrews 12:9, Zechariah 12:1, and Malachi 2:15.
 
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