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Featured LDS Is Heavenly Mother God?

Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by drstevej, Feb 18, 2017.

  1. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    Is LDS Heavenly Mother God?
    Is she worthy of the same worship as Heavenly Father?
    Is she worthy of the same worship as Jesus?
     
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  2. withwonderingawe

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    She was worshiped as God before 600 bc but after Judah started into apostasy the knowledge of her was lost.

    She is one with the Father, when I worship the Father I am worshiping her.
     
  3. NYCGuy

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    So...Mormonism includes the worship of a Goddess?

    Wow!
     
  4. drstevej

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    Documentation please.
     
  5. withwonderingawe

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    To a point, we know that God made in his image male and female created he them, so yes there is a Mother in Heaven. However as we are to be one in our marriages so too our our Heavenly Parents. We do not pray to our Mother in Heaven that would be separating them and they can't be separated.
     
  6. drstevej

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    Jesus says in Matthew 22
    29Jesus replied, “You are mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30In the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead, they will be like the angels in heaven.

    I'll need better documentation than your personal deduction.

    So if you don't pray to Heavenly Mother because that separates them do you not pray to Jesus for the same reason?

    John 17
    21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
     
  7. withwonderingawe

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    I did this once before perhaps you missed it. The problem with this is that there are thousands of years between us and them and many commentaries trying to explain it all away.The word translated Almighty in Gen 49 is Shadday

    " Even by the God/El of thy father, who shall help thee; and by Shadday , who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb"

    Shadday means the God with breast or udders to be specific. You can look it up on line and you'll find all kinds of articles all disagreeing with each other but originally it was about a female goddess. I looked through Strongs and compared back and forth and found she is worshiped up until 600bc and then there is a change in the wording.

    She is the giver of blessings of the womb.

    In Gen 28 Isaac told Jacob that he was going to find him a wife
    "And El Shadday bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people"

    Ruth felt she had afflicted her
    Ruth 1
    20 And she said unto them, Call me not Naomi, call me Mara: for Shadday hath dealt very bitterly with me.
    21 I went out full, and the Lord hath brought me home again empty: why then call ye me Naomi, seeing the Lord/Yahweh hath testified against me, and Shadday hath afflicted me?

    In the Book of Job which was most likely written in 600 bc the use of Almighty changes and there does not seem to have the blessings of the womb attached. About that time and after they return from captivity the Deuteronomist began editing the Bible to fit their one god doctrine. They merged El, Shadday and Yahweh into one "strange god".
     
  8. withwonderingawe

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    I pray to my Father in Heaven in the name of Jesus Christ.
     
  9. drstevej

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    In the heav'ns are parents single?
    No, the thought makes reason stare!
    Truth is reason; truth eternal
    Tells me I've a mother there.

    Eliza Snow (15 November 1845)

    Singing this does not make it doctrine...
     
  11. withwonderingawe

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    I prefer Luke 20

    But let's start with this;

    Jesus said to Pilate "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world"

    John 17:14 "I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world."

    1 John 5:4
    4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world:

    and now Matt 22 & Luke 20

    Jesus is address a group of Jews who obviously believe in eternal marriage but Jesus tells them;

    "Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God"

    The Jews by this time no longer had the power to bind on earth that which is bound in heaven, they had lost that long ago. They were children of the world.

    34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
    35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
    36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

    Note that they are counted as children of God but not sons of God. In Mormon theology and I believe it is Biblical all men will be resurrected. By 'that world' he means Terrestrial, many will go into that world and when they do they will be equal unto angels and not be married. They will live as brothers and sisters. They will enjoy the company of Christ but they will not be in the presence of the Father.

    What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder: Mark 10:9

    When God joins a man and woman he binds them in heaven, to even say till death do us part is un-biblical

    Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 1 Cor 11:11

    Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered. 1Peter 3:7

    We are heirs together of the grace of life or of eternal life with God. (see Titus 3:7)
     
  12. Phoebe Ann

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    What position does a heavenly mother hold in the godhead?
     
  13. withwonderingawe

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    The lds website says it's doctrine...

    The doctrine of a Heavenly Mother is a cherished and distinctive belief among Latter-day Saints.

    Men and women cannot be exalted without each other. Just as we have a Father in Heaven, we have a Mother in Heaven. As Elder Dallin H. Oaks of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles has said, “Our theology begins with heavenly parents. Our highest aspiration is to be like them.”

    Mother in Heaven

    She seems to important, so key to exhaltation, yet so ignored...
     
  15. BigDaddy4

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    So the Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6 is not just "Our Father, who art in Heaven,...", it's directed at both parents?
     
  16. BigDaddy4

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    Left out... :sorry:
     
  17. Phoebe Ann

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    Because she wasn't ordained to the Melchizedek Priesthood.
     
  18. NYCGuy

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    So...you believe that when you're baptized, you're being baptized into not only the Father, but into the Mother too, since they are "one" and she "is included with the Father"?
     
  19. withwonderingawe

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    I'm not sure what your wording means "being baptized into.... the Father".

    Those that ate "...baptized into Christ have put on Christ", Gal 3:27, have had their sins washed away Acts 22:16 and "enter the kingdom of God" John 3:5
     
  20. withwonderingawe

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    When a couple are sealed to each other his priesthood becomes her priesthood. What she does not have are the keys to authority to act in the earthly church.

    But this earthly church is only temporary, there are no bishops in heaven but there are mothers and fathers. There is the family of God, that is the eternal church, She is Queen and Priestess over that family.

    Eph 3
    14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
    15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
     
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