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Is Heaven where we finally become invisible?

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Tone, Mar 16, 2019.

  1. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    Our ultimate hope is in the resurrection of the body and the life everlasting in the age to come--when God renews and restores all creation.

    We don't become invisible, but more visible; not less solid, but more solid. Resurrection isn't the vanishing of our bodily humanity; but the transfiguration and glorification of it. Not less human, but more human.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  2. Tone

    Tone "Whenever Thou humblest me, Thou makest me great." Supporter

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    I was thinking along these lines a couple of hours ago. Because, He said His creation is good, right. And He created the dimensions we are in, so heaven is when the decay will be done away with and Earth is renewed. I believe the enemy was already expelled from heaven and now we are just waiting for the same on earth, hence,

    Matthew 6:10
    "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."

    So, the decay or entropy or corruption isn't inherent in the dimensions we are subject to...correct?
     
  3. Blade

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    Hmm... look at it like.. all the wonders in the Sea. To them we are? Unseen. We live in this realm.. this bubble of time. God does not. He is a Spirit. We THINK of a Spirit as something you can kinda see.. GHOSTY a real word lol. Yet we are the temporal... this is not the real realm.

    Its talking about GOD in a realm we are not in.. to us right now its "invisible". The unseen.
     
  4. If Not For Grace

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    I think of the spiritual realm as just a realm that I do not see with my naked eye but that I know exists. Sort of like Birds and other animals that are able to see UV light rays. When we enter the spiritual realm .. we will "transformed" and be able to see others and other things that most of us do not physically see here.
     
  5. Messerve

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    In reply to your *, I think it's possible for them to reveal themselves as physical beings. We know angels certainly did in the Bible. Two angels pulled Lot back into his house in Sodom, thus they were certainly in physical bodies at the time. Demons, I can't offhand think of a place in the Bible they were visible. But if they are fallen angels, then I don't think it would be any different.

    Also, Jesus could appear and disappear at will as He did after his resurrection. One example being when he appeared to the two men on the road to Emmaus and then disappeared after breaking the bread.

    But here's an interesting thought... Though Jesus disappeared from view, was He actually gone? Or was he still sitting there trying not to laugh at their shocked expressions? ^_^
     
  6. Messerve

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    However, there is also the chance that when, for example, Jesus appeared or disappeared after his resurrection (think the Upper Room and the two men going to Emmaus) that Jesus was actually present that whole time and simply decided to reveal himself at that moment.

    Or how about the hand that wrote on the wall at Belshazzar's feast? Did God reach His hand into our dimension at that moment, or was He already there waiting for the right time to start writing and make His hand visible?

    Is there Scripture that speaks of God's or Jesus' or an angel's presence being near someone or observing someone before they revealed themselves?
     
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  7. Tone

    Tone "Whenever Thou humblest me, Thou makest me great." Supporter

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    Just like He's here with us right now!

    Remember:

    2 Kings 6:17
    "And Elisha prayed, “Open his eyes, Lord, so that he may see.” Then the Lord opened the servant’s eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha"

    And possibly:

    John 1:48
    ""How do you know me?" Nathanael asked. Jesus answered, "I saw you while you were still under the fig tree before Philip called you."

    I'm sure there's more.
     
  8. Messerve

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    Oh! Good examples! The first is definitely a case of revealing rather than quickly transporting from another place. The second is a bit hard to say because I'm sure God can see everything being outside time and place and Jesus may have had that knowledge through the Father. However, it is possible Jesus was there invisibly.
    To support the other side, you can also point to Philip whom the spirit basically transported instantaneously to a different place in order to reach out to a specific person. That would be an example of relocation rather than revealing. But then, he was also a human being.
     
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