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Featured Is God's love unconditional?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by MostRadicalManEver, Jan 4, 2018.

  1. Grip Docility

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    I always enjoy these simple illustrations...

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    I’ll just say this... the prosperity gospel has a lot to do with Hell Fire and brimstone teaching... even back when family members “could pay to help their loved ones out of Hell”...

    And Western Theology sure enjoys making God out to be like Ba’al.
     
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  2. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    So, sticking within the bounds of "what Jesus demonstrated":

    (1) Did Jesus ever speak a curse over any groups (Luke 11:42-52, Matt 23:13-36) or over any cities and why did He say so? (Matt 11:21, Luke 10:13) (2) Wasn't it Jesus who told stories about people calling him Lord and Him replying He never knew them--even those who thought they were serving Him? (Matt 7:21-27, Matt 25:11-12) (3) Wasn't it Jesus who spoke to each church mentioned in Revelation, but only promised the reward to overcomers in Rev 2 & 3? (4) Wasn't it Jesus who spoke about gehenna--hell (Luke 12:5) where the worm doesn't die and the fire isn't quenched? (Mar 9:43-48) Outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth? (Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30) Everlasting punishment? (Matt 25:46, John 5:29) (5) Wasn't it Jesus who specifically excluded the whole world in His prayer to the Father? (John 17:9, 20)

    So, why would Jesus spend so much time talking about something that doesn't exist? Why would Jesus--who healed the sick, cleansed the lepers, raised the dead, healed the blind, deaf and mute, cast out demons, and re-defined what it meant to follow God--spend any time explaining there was an alternative to heaven for those who didn't repent? Why make an idle threat? Why teach Paul about God sending a great delusion (2 Thes 2:11) or giving them over to a reprobate mind (Romans 1:28)? Why would Peter talk about the end of this world--as if God had foretold it--if it wasn't going to happen like that (2 Peter)? Why would John's Revelation look so "unloving" (from a human perspective), if it wasn't going down like that?

    I had a peace from when God woke me up, though I didn't believe He did such a thing when He did it and He didn't do it in a church. The peace that I have has nothing to do with me or my "paradigm". I didn't choose God. He chose me. So, I don't have to find a way to conceptualize Him that suits me. I just follow Him and do as He leads.
     
  3. Grip Docility

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    The words “Until you say, Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord”... and Acts 1’s revealed ascension location, coupled with Zechariah 14’s return location... and Joel 3’s reveal that God will remove that curse and do far more than just forgive those that were “enemies of the Gospel”... (Romans 11 gets ignored a bunch!)... seem to be ignored by you.. (IMO)

    Moses, in Exodus 32:32, sure did have a lot to say in favor of mercy... and it’s safe to say that he was a man that God deeply appreciated and appreciates and utilized/utilizes ...

    Exodus 32:32 “But now, if you will forgive their sin—but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written.”

    Would you say that? Would you put others eternal life before yours?
     
  4. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    Nice manipulation. It isn't "Western Theology", it is people who read and study Scripture. I guess you don't have that in "Eastern Theology"????? When you study the Scriptures that GOD (not ba'al) gave us--to show yourself approved, we can have a real conversation about the Truth that evades you. Don't enjoy your drawings too much. Better to find the Truth before it is too late.
     
  5. Grip Docility

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    The Bible is Eastern Theology. :)

    The West is only a recipient of the Eastern Saga and the Savior that we claim.

    (Isaiah 43:11; Luke 2:11)

    Have you noticed the entire globes population is fixated on Jerusalem again?

    Enemies are forming against her, as we type.

    And ... manipulation??? Naaaaaaaah... It’s just exalting Love, Hope and Faith... coupled with mercy... over all else...

    Guess who taught me how to do that. It ain’t the “Accuser of the Brethren” to give you a hint.

    God forbid we ever have to end up forgiving and loving people we don’t like.

    Then again... I don’t think He’ll forbid it, but assert that we do Love and Forgive. Wouldn’t you say that Jesus has a word or two on such matters?

    If I teach not Hell Fire and Eternal Torture... I’m nothing?

    If I don’t judge, I’m nothing?

    If I’m not hard hearted and hateful to fellow sinners, Jesus died for, I’m nothing?

    Shoot! How does that go!?!

    Aha!

    If I have not Love... I am NO Thing.

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  6. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    To answer your last question first. First, let's not take that out of context. If God gave me a specific people and had me lead them out of captivity and then was going to kill them all; then YES, I WOULD. Also don't forget that Moses oversaw the killing of many of those people, too, on various occasions. He stood against them, as a people, being wiped out completely, not individually wiped out. And certainly, it is easy to say in our position what we would do. But, would you do what you insinuate you would, in reality? I'm not so sure.

    Also consider Rev 6: 9-11. God didn't tell them that they were "of a wrong spirit."

    Now for the rest: let me get this straight, you respond by simply ignoring and posting something else? You are telling me that Jesus spoke a whole lot of irrelevant words, because the Old Testament undoes the New Testament--and the very words of Jesus Christ? Really?

    The one NT verse you quoted is when Jesus is talking to Jerusalem and He says "you won't see Me henceforth, til you shall say "blessed is he that comes in the Name of the Lord." It says nothing about removing anything that Jesus spoke. There is nothing that suggests any of what He spoke is being undone for those to whom He spoke it. And, Scripture talks about a New Jerusalem (Rev 21-22).

    Romans 11. I don't need to forget about it or throw it away. It says some things that some don't want to admit: "Blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the gentiles be come in....As concerning the Gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes." (Rom 11:25, 28) OR "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God; on them which fell, severity; but, toward thee, goodness, if you continue in His goodness: otherwise though also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again." (Romans 11:22-23) or were you only pinpointing one verse "For God has concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all." (Romans 11:32). Do you think that one verse undoes everything else Paul wrote of from Romans 1 until Romans 11:32? And, if it is simply progressive, then what do you make of Paul's statement that "He that doubts is damned if he eats, because he eats not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin"? After all, how can any be damned, if God will have mercy on all?
     
  7. Grip Docility

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    I’m just a man bathed in God’s (Jesus Christ’s) Love and Mercy...

    Ask God those questions. We’re just swapping opinions.

    I’ll put it this way... I came to repentance under horrific circumstances and any stones of judgment or condemnation I had in my hands were dropped at “He without sin, cast the first stone”.

    I read that Love covers a multitude of sins and sincerely... you’ll never get anything out of me that bolsters systemic theology.

    I’m hung up on that Love and Forgivness thing for some reason.

    All of Christ’s 1 John 2:27 to you...
     
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    Op.. you asked about love and being unconditional. Then you post somethings that are not based on love. This love ..this unconditional love was.. for GOD so loved the world. WHERE WHAT did ANYONE do to get it? WHAT was this LOVE a condition of? You only get this love if you believe? That is not written.

    1st John.. says "We love him, because he first loved us". I can't get to heaven unless I believe. A condition one might call.

    Someone said here "You claim God will love you even if you die rejecting Him. Scripture just doesn't support that.". Rom 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Now Christ said to them "if you then, being evil know how to give good gifts...." Again..for GOD so loved PERIOD. Theres no getting around that.

    Some sorry do not know the Father. No flesh will glory in His presences. We give all glory all praise all thinks to Him. You take it you receive it. Or you dont' get it. And I mean that both ways :) Want to about works and rewards and things like this. Thats different. But the OP said LOVE and unconditional. Of which for me.. two verses alone make it very clear. That He 1st loved me. That I never asked for it.. I never did anything to get it. He then took my place when the JUDGE had FACTS RECORDS of my sins.

    Yet this man this GOD steps up...says.. I will take His place. I looked in shock! Who is this that is willing to DIE for me? I dont know Him. I never met Him never heard of Him. Yet... He loves me? HE MADE ME
     
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  9. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    Nice manipulation again. No, the Bible isn't "Eastern Theology". The Bible is the Word of God. This eastern/western theology stuff is simply a game like liberal/conservative branding to distract from the Truth at hand.

    Okay, I'll play. Whose Spirit was Jesus following? It almost seems as if you are saying that if Jesus was half the Christian you were, He wouldn't have talked about hell at all! He would have championed Love, Faith, Hope, and Mercy by not even having the discussions about hell or judgment. He should have followed your example, right? After all, what was He thinking? Why even have the discussions--if it is an irrelevant topic--because God is going to have mercy on all and none will face judgment?

    But, I doubt He was listening to the accuser of the brethren when He spoke those things. So, maybe those of us who listen to ALL HIS WORDS, instead of just the ones we like, are just following the same Spirit Jesus was following?

    It isn't a matter of judging or wanting to watch someone suffer or justifying unforgiveness or any other of the underhanded slights you seem to suggest I stand for in your above quote; though I hope you are as perfect as you suggest you are. It is simply a matter of representing the whole Truth expressed by God in the Word of God and not picking and choosing which parts I believed.
     
  10. Grip Docility

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    Allow me to be blunt... if you’re 1/1,000,000th the forgiven sinner I am... I recommend leaving the final fate stuff to God and preaching Unconditional Love from the mountain tops....

    The Gospel is the Good News of Christ’s love... and there’s no harm or penalty for Love.

    But... ehhhh... that’s just my “emotional” response to God’s Unconditional Love.
     
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    Deceptions of the Last Hour
    18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
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    2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

    5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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    21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
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    Immorality Defiles the Church
    5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife! 2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

    6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

    Immorality Must Be Judged
    9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

    12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”
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    It is not the love of God when Christians welcome gay/homosexual bishops/pastors and LBGTQs to the Church and/or their homes. That's the love of Satan and the condoning of lawlessness.
     
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    That has all been addressed many times before:

    Matthew 7:21-23:
    how do people who believe in eternal torture in fire

    Mark 9 43-49:
    Early church opposition to endless hell

    Have you been decieved by your Bible translation?

    For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:

    Augustine's ignorance & error re Matthew 25:46

    Hell exists. It's just not an endless torture chamber, but much more like a kind of purgatory.

    https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
     
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    Rom.5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
    19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous

    Condemned. Not tortured forever.

    Rom.14:23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.

    Unique Proof For Christian, Biblical Universalism

    Universalism – The Truth Shall Make You Free

    Eternity in the Bible by Gerry Beauchemin – Hope Beyond Hell
     
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    The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares
    24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’” ...

    The Parable of the Tares Explained
    36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”

    37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
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    3 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

    8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
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    4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

    A Good Servant of Jesus Christ
    6 If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed. 7 But reject profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come. 9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. 10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. 11 These things command and teach. ...
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    3:1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was. ...

    16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
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    6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. 7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” 8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; 9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.
     
  15. Grip Docility

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    Oh my... Someone is fixating on “Sin”, and forgetting the “Galatians” brawl that Peter received from Paul...

    Jesus didn’t die to promote sin, but because we sin. Forgiven sinner and saint... doesn’t mean physically void of transgression of the Law. We are merely ... “Dead to the Law”. Judging others Sin is a good way to become “alive to the Law” again.

    Read the Adulterous forgiven in John again. Do you “add” to the meaning of that story? Even the teachers of the Law dropped those stones. I wonder why?!?

    Lawlessness? The only way to uphold lawlessness in this age of grace... is to fail to Love and attempt to rebuild the Law.

    We are not without the Law of Christ... (Love), but we are dead to Moses... because Christ fulfilled Moses. We uphold Moses through faith and Love in Jesus Christ. That’s Romans and Galatians in a nutshell.

    By James 2:10... we are all guilty of all of Moses and in equal need of Jesus. As Paul says... to get away from Sinful mankind, we would have to leave this earth... which is pointing to leaving (our own tent).

    James chapter 2 says placing a person asunder... do to their physical state is a bad move.

    Even the forgiven homosexual is Complete in Christ Jesus.

    If you want to understand “Lawlessness”... research 911 and Global terrorism. Muslims are loved by God and provided for by God too... but throwing homosexuals off of buildings, beheading people and criminals ndemning people by Moses, while denying Jesus Christ is our only hope of salvation... places many of those people... (and Westboro Baptist for that matter)... in a path for an apocalyptic learning curve.

    What is our highest calling in Christ Jesus?

    L-O-V-E

    Even where Paul casts a man to Satan in 1 Corinthians for sleeping with his fathers wife... he turns and exalts Forgivness for the man and fellowship with him in 2 Corinthians... then Reveals that he was testing Corinth with the matter. He revealed that casting anyone from Forgivness and fellowship is a device of Satan.

    That’s my 2 cents.
     
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    1COR.6: = 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
    11 And such were some of you.

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    26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

    LEVITICUS.18:22 = 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
     
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    Gods LOVE for His creations IS
    Unconditional.

    What God bestows upon His Creations IS
    Conditional.

    God Bless,
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    "perfect father toward his children"

    But there are those who the Bible says are not the children of God, but children of the devil. What about them?
     
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    5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
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    13 “No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.”
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    2 “I have loved you,” says the Lord.
    “Yet you say, ‘In what way have You loved us?’
    Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?”
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    “Yet Jacob I have loved;
    3 But Esau I have hated,
    And laid waste his mountains and his heritage
    For the jackals of the wilderness.”
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    PROVERBS.6: =
    16 These six things the Lord hates,
    Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
    17 A proud look,
    A lying tongue,
    Hands that shed innocent blood,
    18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
    Feet that are swift in running to evil,
    19 A false witness who speaks lies,
    And one who sows discord among brethren.
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    .
    HOSEA.9: =
    15 “All their wickedness is in Gilgal,
    For there I hated them.
    Because of the evil of their deeds
    I will drive them from My house;
    I will love them no more.
    All their princes are rebellious.
    16 Ephraim is stricken,
    Their root is dried up;
    They shall bear no fruit.
    Yes, were they to bear children,
    I would kill the darlings of their womb.”

    17 My God will cast them away,
    Because they did not obey Him;
    And they shall be wanderers among the nations.
    .
    .
    PSALMS.5: =
    4 For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness,
    Nor shall evil dwell with You.
    5 The boastful shall not stand in Your sight;
    You hate all workers of iniquity.
    6 You shall destroy those who speak falsehood;
    The Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.
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    PSALMS.11: =
    4 The Lord is in His holy temple,
    The Lord’s throne is in heaven;
    His eyes behold,
    His eyelids test the sons of men.
    5 The Lord tests the righteous,
    But the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates.
    6 Upon the wicked He will rain coals;
    Fire and brimstone and a burning wind
    Shall be the portion of their cup.
     
  20. RayJeena

    RayJeena Humble and proud of it. Supporter

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    Well, who made the devil?

    Who was it who bound everyone over to disobedience in the first place,
    and to what end? (see Romans 11:32 and Romans 8:20-21)

    If one isn't a card-carrying Child of God now, he/she will be, sooner
    or later. Jesus didn't go through what he did just to wind up with only a
    fraction of what he came for. God is the Savior of all mankind,
    especially (not "exclusively") of believers (1 Timothy 4:10).


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