Is God Sovereign Over All Things?

[Deadworm]

Christodoulos,

I expected you to being up the tired and discredited claim that the teaching of Ecclesiastes 9:11 need not be taken seriously because it is wisdom "under the sun."
In fact, it reflects standard OT teaching about Chaos as a force that is not yet tamed by God and therefore allows us to be victimized by Chance. Don't confuse the distinction between God's active will versus His permissive will and the distinction between physical suffering that results from divine judgement from physical suffering from natural disasters that does not reflect God's will, but rather inspires His sympathy and compassion.

The horrid nonbiblical God conjured by recent posters on this thread is a major reason why honest and morally sensitive seekers, who might otherwise become devout Christians, reject the God of the Bible as morally monstrous and therefore a mythical human construct mirroring human selfishness and delight in violence. The reason for my blunt dismissal of this unethical vision of God is my desire to remove evangelistic barriers to a fascination with a loving and just God. For that reason, I plan to start a new thread on "A Loving God Versus Unfair Suffering."

 

[Christodoulos]

Christodoulos,

I expected you to being up the tired and discredited claim that the teaching of Ecclesiastes 9:11 need not be taken seriously because it is wisdom "under the sun."
In fact, it reflects standard OT teaching about Chaos as a force that is not yet tamed by God and therefore allows us to be victimized by Chance. Don't confuse the distinction between God's active will versus His permissive will and the distinction between physical suffering that results from divine judgement from physical suffering from natural disasters that does not reflect God's will, but rather inspires His sympathy and compassion.

The horrid nonbiblical God conjured by recent posters on this thread is a major reason why honest and morally sensitive seekers, who might otherwise become devout Christians, reject the God of the Bible as morally monstrous and therefore a mythical human construct mirroring human selfishness and delight in violence. The reason for my blunt dismissal of this unethical vision of God is my desire to remove evangelistic barriers to a fascination with a loving and just God. For that reason, I plan to start a new thread on "A Loving God Versus Unfair Suffering."

"standard OT teaching", with you as the sole authority!

 

[Christodoulos]

Christodoulos,

I expected you to being up the tired and discredited claim that the teaching of Ecclesiastes 9:11 need not be taken seriously because it is wisdom "under the sun."
In fact, it reflects standard OT teaching about Chaos as a force that is not yet tamed by God and therefore allows us to be victimized by Chance. Don't confuse the distinction between God's active will versus His permissive will and the distinction between physical suffering that results from divine judgement from physical suffering from natural disasters that does not reflect God's will, but rather inspires His sympathy and compassion.

The horrid nonbiblical God conjured by recent posters on this thread is a major reason why honest and morally sensitive seekers, who might otherwise become devout Christians, reject the God of the Bible as morally monstrous and therefore a mythical human construct mirroring human selfishness and delight in violence. The reason for my blunt dismissal of this unethical vision of God is my desire to remove evangelistic barriers to a fascination with a loving and just God. For that reason, I plan to start a new thread on "A Loving God Versus Unfair Suffering."

do you believe in a literal, conscious hell, for the unsaved lost?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Christodoulos,

I expected you to being up the tired and discredited claim that the teaching of Ecclesiastes 9:11 need not be taken seriously because it is wisdom "under the sun."
In fact, it reflects standard OT teaching about Chaos as a force that is not yet tamed by God and therefore allows us to be victimized by Chance. Don't confuse the distinction between God's active will versus His permissive will and the distinction between physical suffering that results from divine judgement from physical suffering from natural disasters that does not reflect God's will, but rather inspires His sympathy and compassion.

The horrid nonbiblical God conjured by recent posters on this thread is a major reason why honest and morally sensitive seekers, who might otherwise become devout Christians, reject the God of the Bible as morally monstrous and therefore a mythical human construct mirroring human selfishness and delight in violence. The reason for my blunt dismissal of this unethical vision of God is my desire to remove evangelistic barriers to a fascination with a loving and just God. For that reason, I plan to start a new thread on "A Loving God Versus Unfair Suffering."

NM

 

[Deadworm]

What will you call this god?

The Father of Jesus Christ: the Biblical God of Pure Unconditional Love and beautiful justice

 

[jimmyjimmy]

NM

 

[Vicomte13]

NM

"NM"?

 

[Si_monfaith]

God can never be seen as the author of sin or evil regardless of the truth that all human choices originate in Him. Why?

If man hadn't chosen the knowledge of good and evil in the garden of eden, man could not know that whatever God did was evil or sin.

It was not God's will for man to possess the knowledge of good and evil. Only God can help you to not think in terms of the knowledge of good and evil.

 

[Petros2015]

If man hadn't chosen the knowledge of good and evil in the garden of eden, man could not know that whatever God did was evil or sin.

Ok that's a new take on it.

Are you saying that God isn't perfect? But there was this tree of knowledge in the Garden. And once man ate of it which was not God's will for him to do, man saw the reality of things? We knew what Good and Evil was and saw that there was both in God and in ourselves?

It was not God's will for man to possess the knowledge of good and evil. Only God can help you to not think in terms of the knowledge of good and evil.

And that we should just kinda forget about it...?

Ignorance was Bliss?

I'm trying to wrap my head around this one, I've actually never heard it before.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

To the OP...

From nothing into being. That's full control.

Forgive me...

 

[Rescued One]

Is there a single rogue molecule in the universe, which is not under His direct control?

I don't know.

 

[com7fy8]

Is there a single rogue molecule in the universe, which is not under His direct control?

no

He made it all; plus He is managing it to stay in existence.

God is the All-Worker, Creator, Father of spirits, All-loving, Family caring and sharing love > "God is love" (in 1 John 4:8&16)