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Is God out to get us?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Saint Steven, Oct 24, 2021.

  1. Bruce Leiter

    Bruce Leiter A sinner saved by God's astounding grace and love

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    If we are true believers in the God of the Bible through faith by grace, God has already justified us so that God our Judge has declared, according to Paul in Romans 3 and following, that true believers are not-guilty for all our sins.

    However, as our loving heavenly Father, he guides our lives to overcome our old-nature qualities and actions and replaces them with new-nature characteristics.

    On the other hand, the sinful nature that remains within us often resists his work of change. Like any good father, our perfect Father disciplines us lovingly when we rebel by deciding to act according to our old nature. That discipline is his tough love completely for our benefit.

    For unbelievers, God uses their suffering, which he allows but doesn't cause, to call them to repentance.
     
  2. Mark Quayle

    Mark Quayle Well-Known Member Supporter

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    If God hath shut up all unto disobedience, how do they choose him? His mercy is in that those he chose are changed from disobedience to faith. Born Again.

    "For God hath shut up all unto disobedience, that he might have mercy upon all" is no statement for Universalism. It is a statement for the need of all for his mercy, the inability of anyone at all to obtain mercy on their own.
     
  3. Mark Quayle

    Mark Quayle Well-Known Member Supporter

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    So there are things made that are not made by the Word of God?

    Why do we have to come up with these constructions to relieve God of the responsibility for which he never asked for relief?

    God most definitely DOES cause suffering. There is suffering, and he is the Creator, First Cause.
     
  4. Mark Quayle

    Mark Quayle Well-Known Member Supporter

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    God is no gentleman. He is not tame. He is not safe, concerning those who do wrong. *edit

    But he is good. He is patient, and longsuffering. He is kind.

    But he is just. Precisely and thoroughly.
     
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  5. Saint Steven

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    Sounds like C. S. Lewis' Aslan.
     
  6. Shrewd Manager

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    Lol maybe the one He revealed to Paul?
     
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  7. Shrewd Manager

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    I'm not sure why you'd want to jump off the camel when he's homeward bound. It's a statement of God having mercy upon all who need it, namely all, ta panta. Jesus holds the keys to death and Hades so he can jailbreak everyone. It's in the mission statement '...free the prisoners, liberate the captives...' and it occurs en masse around Rev 20:14.
     
  8. Shrewd Manager

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    Need a fire alarm in the wardrobe?
     
  9. Mark Quayle

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    15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
     
  10. Shrewd Manager

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    :swoon:
     
  11. Saint Steven

    Saint Steven You can call me Steve Supporter

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    Some need a shower, and some need a bath.

    Mark 9:49
    Everyone will be salted with fire.
     
  12. Clare73

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    Non-responsive to juice question. . .
     
  13. Clare73

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    Intelligent. . .
     
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  14. Shrewd Manager

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    Perhaps if you could rephrase the question? Sorry I'm not so good with Swahili.
     
  15. Clare73

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    See post #300.
     
  16. Shrewd Manager

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    You asked the following question Clare:
    Is this some kind of code language joke? Ok, I give up - what kind of pesky little situation juice is it?
     
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  17. Clare73

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    I give up. . .is it?

    "Straight juice" and "delinquent misinterpretation" are your nomenclature (post #297), not mine.
     
  18. Shrewd Manager

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    So are you saying the 'pesky little situation' that occurred when God hardened Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 9:12 is revealed through Paul in Romans 11:32 as the 'straight juice' of His plan of mercy upon all? If so, we are essentially in accord.
     
  19. Clare73

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    Nope. . .not what I am saying.

    It relates to your Biblical assertion in post #297 regarding God's (revealed) will.
     
  20. Shrewd Manager

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    God's will seems to be that we go around in circles on this issue Clare. And that may be true, emulating the Great Circle - the exitus et reditus of Aquinas, the fall and resurrection of the Last Adam in Christ. The loss and recovery of the nations, the eventual renewal of all creation in the Eschaton.
     
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