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Is God "Fair" to Us?

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by goodnewsinc, Feb 24, 2002.

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  1. goodnewsinc

    goodnewsinc Senior Member Supporter

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    Is God "Fair" to Us?

    A "sharing" originally posted at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/allisfairinloveandwar/message/2

    From: "ourfamily1gn" <[email protected]>
    Date: Tue Jan 1, 2002 12:23 am
    Subject: Is God really "fair"?

    Is God "Fair" to Us?

    Since the theme of this group is "all is fair in LOVE and WAR", I think it is a good idea to start with "Numero Uno", our Father Himself. We do not like any of the hell conditions we experience in our daily lives. We did not ask to be born to our earthly parents, and we certainly did not want and do not appreciate being born in a pit full of invisible snakes, who are tricky and dominating. Yet Father did this to His innocent babies. We do not like this, and many will tell you boldly, "This is not fair"! How many of you know the song, "Fairest Lord Jesus"? We attribute and credit Jesus with "fair love" because of his work on behalf of all of us without hesitation. But many have cursed the Father "because He is omnipotent and controls everything" in our lives including how much evil we experience. He is the one who GAVE the saints and humanity all over the world into the hands and power of the devil, Revelation 13:4-7. (This is the same thing as giving Israel over to Egypt for captivity for 400 years). Mankind has had the hell beaten into us by the powers of darkness. All this was perfectly understood by the Spirit, who announced a "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea, because the devil is come down unto you and he knows that he has a short time" to exist, Revelation 12:11-12.

    Let us get to the point very quickly. This life is an educational "exercise" with the dark-side so that we will learn to appreciate light, Ecclesiastes 1:13. This is what the Spirit taught Paul:

    Romans 8:18. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

    Father is a Great Teacher and He decided to raise His Family by training them to refuse the evil and to choose the good (sometimes painfully) using "two ways", which He set before ALL of us. Adam and Eve were merely the first of billions to be so "exercised". But as Paul wrote, they were also "delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God" in Heaven. Down here the PLAN is to have all children learn by

    (1) comparison and contrast or good VS evil, and also

    (2) by precept (religious law) and example (the perfect example is Jesus himself).

    You ought to be able to catch my drift now. What we are really getting at is this: "Is it fair for the Teacher to choose this approach to train His sons and daughter in perfect behavior"? You and I know death has no sting, Hosea 13:14, Ecclesiastes 12:7, Luke 20:37-39, Revelation 6:9-11. Most men cannot comprehend what is on the UP side of the 5th Seal. Because they are uninformed, this lack of perfect understanding causes them to be angry with God for turning innocent infants over to wild beasts in a far away pit. Now let us deal with some documents
    that explain Father's extraordinary Wisdom. We have all come to mental conclusions about God for doing all this. Some of us might not want to admit it or even to think about it now that I am into
    this subject. But there is no thought that we can hide from God. He already knows what you think as well as what you are afraid to think. Here are some documents which get right to what the Teacher has been doing:
    http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v1gn/ygodalow.html

    http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v2gn/watgdoin.html

    http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v2gn/ltrtoben.html

    http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v3gn/hemeanso.html

    http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v3gn/twoways.html

    http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v2gn/ltrtoben.html

    These documents should help you understand our Father's superior reasoning and logic. I hope you will develop a mature appreciation for His skill. Down here men are frightened because they just don't get it about what they really are, Hebrews 2:6-7,14-15. This life is not the beginning and the end of everything. We began at the very beginning before Adam was sent down in the flesh. God told us He created us "in His image and after His likeness", but men just DO NOT comprehend the depth of what that means. Our spirits are eternal, immortal, and cannot perish! They clay envelope dies but so what? Flesh and blood never could inherit the kingdom of heaven. Even so weak men want to cling to it, because that is all they know. They want it somehow to
    survive. However the flesh was deliberately made weak, and it shrivels up and breaks down as more time passes. It could not survive for thousand and thousand of years. Who wants to be in
    stooped bodies with arthritic joints, no teeth, failed hearing, sight, taste and smell? God let all this happen to us so we would hope for and even beg Him for a change. If He allowed most of us to
    remain in youth and vigor, we would want to stay on earth and not leave it. Old age and decrepit bodies also prevent men from having the strength and power to continue committing certain sins. A violent man cannot commit violence when he is too sick to stand up. A fornicator cannot do his thing when he is stooped and cannot walk. A mean person cannot be very mean when he needs someone to feed him, and so it goes. So go ahead and examine what the Spirit explained about
    our Father's reasoning. Armed with is light, you will be able to inform our unenlightened brethren, who have a different opinion, that our Father is also "fair", not just the Lord Jesus only! Amen?

    GOOD NEWS, Inc. :)
     
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  2. Hishandmaiden

    Hishandmaiden The Humble Servant Supporter

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    Yes, I think God is fair to me. He watches over me and is with me when I am down. God was, is and will always be fair!
     
  3. VeraciousMaven

    VeraciousMaven Jesus Saves!

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    God is NOT fair!

    Do you realize what would happen if God was 'fair?'

    Think for a moment. What do you deserve?

    We are saved by grace friends. God's grace is here for us because he was NOT fair. If he was 'fair' we would get what we deserve and be eternally condemed.

    I thank God for not being fair.




    God bless!
     
  4. Hishandmaiden

    Hishandmaiden The Humble Servant Supporter

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    Hmmm..... interesting consideration.
    But I still think he is fair. He is just and fair. And thus, he will punish accordingly. I think he is fair in his judgement, he is fair in his love and in his mercy.
     
  5. tericl2

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    Well, i had my post all thought out as soon as I saw the title! But i see you have already posted it VM, so i will just say that I agree with you.

    Thank God he doesn't give us what we deserve!!
     
  6. Andrew

    Andrew Well-Known Member

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    God is just and holy (OC); yet loving and merciful (NC).

    These 2 sets of seemingly opposing qualities met perfectly at the cross.

    That's why the cross is at the centre of it all. :)
     
  7. solo66 man

    solo66 man Well-Known Member

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    And I say a huge AMEN!
    Remember, He even sacrificed his only Son.
     
  8. Blackwing

    Blackwing Music Man With Black Wings(duh...)<img src="http:/

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    Amen to that andrew!

    God is fair and merciful at the same time.

    Thank you Lord for coming up with a solution.
     
  9. goodnewsinc

    goodnewsinc Senior Member Supporter

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    Thank you, Blackwing! Did you know the Archangel Gabriel has "black wings"? Your handle is significant!

    GOOD NEWS, Inc. :)
     
  10. VeraciousMaven

    VeraciousMaven Jesus Saves!

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    I think the Greek word for 'just' actually means 'to make righteous'

    Or something along those lines. :D


    God bless!
     
  11. goodnewsinc

    goodnewsinc Senior Member Supporter

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  12. Blackwing

    Blackwing Music Man With Black Wings(duh...)<img src="http:/

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    Hi there Goodnewsinc!

    I did not know that gabriel had black wings.

    Where can I find that?
     
  13. Hishandmaiden

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    Gabriel has black wings? Where in the bible does it says that?
     
  14. goodnewsinc

    goodnewsinc Senior Member Supporter

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    Hello!

    You are aware that the Bible is full of parables, similes, and metaphores in symbolic language, aren't you?! God placed "word keys" in His speech for the benefit of those He chooses to teach. Are you ready to meet the Archangel Gabriel? Let's ride!

    Key 1 is Daniel 9:21-22

    KJV Dan 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. 22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

    Hear Gabriel is identified as "THE MAN", a teacher who gives "skill and understanding.

    Daniel saw him again in another vision:

    Daniel 10: 5 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: 6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.... 12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God,
    thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

    THE MAN comes here to give Daniel "understanding".

    Key 2 is Daniel 5:5, 24-28.

    Daniel 5: 5 In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote. 24 Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written. 25 And this is the writing that was written, Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: Mene; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. 27 Tekel; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. 28 Peres; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

    Here THE MAN's hand carries God's "balances"!

    Key 3 is Zechariah 6:1-5

    The four Archangels are described as God's "horses" who pull His "Chariot"!

    KJV Zechariah 6:1 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains [were] mountains of brass. 2 In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses; 3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses. 4 Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these, my lord? 5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are]the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.

    Here is Ezekiel's vision of God's Ark (the major four Archangels). You will notice his description includes all Four, THE MAN, an EAGLE, the OX (calf), and the roaring LION... all pulling God's "wheeled" chariot.

    Key 4 is Ezekiel 10:1-11
    KJV Eze 10:1 Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne. 2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight. 3 Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court. 4 Then the glory of the Lord went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the Lord's glory. 5 And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh. 6 And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from
    between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels. 7 And one cherub stretched forth his hand from between the cherubims unto the fire that was between the cherubims, and took thereof, and put it into the hands of him that was clothed with linen: who took it, and went out. 8 And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man's hand under their wings. 9 And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone. 10 And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel. 11 When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went.

    Here Ezekiel obeserves another aspect of the Archangels' glory. They "form" God's "wheeled" Altar and they are seen as "Cherubim".


    Key 5 is Revelation 4:6-8, 6:5-6

    Revelation 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. 7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth
    beast was like a flying eagle.8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

    Revelation 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

    Let's put it all together now (resolve the Word-puzzle). The four "Spirits" are "Cherubim" who are described as four "horses", four "beasts", and four "chariots". They are the Heavenly Ark or the "Ark of God" whose symbol was carried by the Levitical priests. And they together form God "wheeled" Heavenly Altar full of coals of fire (they are reservoirs of the Word).

    Now for Gabriel. He is THE MAN, the "black horse" with balances in his hand. Ezekiel saw the four with six pairs of wings. Therefore Gabriel's wings are "black". And YOU, dear Blackwing have taken the "handle" of one of my key teachers, the Archangel Gabriel.

    Key 6 is in Luke 1
    Luke 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings. 26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

    Because he is THE MAN, he is also God's messenger and teacher of "sonship".

    There you have it. To discover more about our FAMILY glory and the Twelve (Yes!) Archangels go to http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v3gn/thearkgd.html Happy hunting brother Blackwing and rpggal. By the way rpggal, I do not mean to exclude you. Females have a VERY IMPORTANT role to play in raising the children. There is a whole website for you to peruse. Go to http://goodnewsinc.org. Both of you have a great day. :)

    GOOD NEWS, Inc. :eek:
     
  15. tom

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    i believe that god is a fair god the bible says that he is fair and just in all of his ways.
     
  16. goodnewsinc

    goodnewsinc Senior Member Supporter

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    Thanks for reading the post, Tom. God is "fair", but men do not understand it in view of the events happening in our world. I just want readers to think about it from a higher perspective.

    GOOD NEWS, Inc.
     
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