eternal torment is a lie.
And this line of thinking is the result of the idea of eternal torment. Leaving us to either 1. Write of God as a cruel tyrant, which many people have done & or 2. Lower the standards God has set.
People will therefore conclude
1. God is a saddist/cruel tyrant, and not want anything to do with such a being.
2. God is good. A good being would not torture such and such a person for eternity therefore they must be in heaven.
Eternal torment is not a lie. I say that because Hell isn't meant for humans but for Satan and his demons but, but we were born with a sinful nature and even though it's not our fault, God has given each and every one of us a way to be free from that and to live with him eternally in heaven. It is his will that no one perish. If you reject Jesus as your Lord and Savior then I'm sorry you've just rejected eternal life. You have chosen to go to Hell based on the fact that you've rejected Christ. He's the only way to eternal life, to the Father, to Heaven so if anyone of us died today, then there is only 2 places to go, Heaven or Hell. IF you have chosen Christ and accepted him as Your Lord and Savior then you're going to Heaven. If not, then you have chosen to go to Hell. It's not about God being a cruel God because he's not. He sat conditions and provisions in his word to let us know how to get to Heaven, how to be reconcile back to him and the bible does say that in so many words that sin = death. If you still live in sin and you've rejected Christ, then you've chosen death, hell, and the grave the very thing that Christ conquered for us.
Don't missunderstand me, Hell is a certainty but it doesn't last for eternity. And you are correct it is prepared for the devil and his angels.
However I have just highlighted in your own post why it doesn't last forever. Sin = death, nowhere does the bible promise eternal life for those who have rejected Christ. Not even eternal life of misery in hell. I already quoted in Malachi 4 the wicked are as stubble and are burned up, burned to ashes that can be walked on.
Forgive me if I misunderstood you. Hell is actually eternal, just like Heaven is eternal. Those who are not in Christ (and I should have posted this before) names are not written into the book of life. Once you receive Christ, your name is written in the book of life. Rev 20:15 says thus "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death, so it is scary and frightening for those who haven't given their life to Christ and I now see why he left us here after we got saved to spread his gospel so that everyone could be saved. Rev 20:11 says " And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whoese face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was no found place for them. vs. 12 - and I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God and the books were opened, which is the book of life and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. vs. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them; and they were judged every man according to their works. vs. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. vs. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Vs. 27 of Rev 21 calls the book of life, the Lambs book of life. It will be a sad day indeed for those who rejected Christ and have to stand before the White throne Judgement. If their names aren't in the book of life, then they have rejected Christ and will unfortuntely be cast into the lake of fire.
The verse that I meant to write regarding sin = death thing is James 1:15 Then when last hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin; and sin when it is finished, bringeth forth death. I didn't mean sin = death. I was just typing so fast and working at the same time. But the verse in James kinda makes it seem that way.
people who dont believe in jesus are going to hell according to the bible. so i decided to pick the posterboy for peace...mohandas gandhi. he wasnt christian...so according to the christian tradition that kid in the video states...gandhi is going to hell...
true or false? comments, opinions are appreciated.
Romans 14:4
Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
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so really . who can say except God?
Works is not a reflection of faith. It is a result of faith. There are some very "good" people, who do good works, who will go to hell because they have refused to humble themselves before the Lord. Reject Christ, go to hell. Accept Christ, live with Him for eternity. Only two choices, folks. It makes me sad that people like Gandhi may go to hell. But it isn't my world.I approve of the above.
I would also like to point out that if you interpret works as a reflection of faith. as the book of James suggests. (Good works come from allowing the Holy Spirit to work through you, while bad works come from not doing this.) Then, Ghandi does have the faith and likely in abundance.
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Works is not a reflection of faith. It is a result of faith. There are some very "good" people, who do good works, who will go to hell because they have refused to humble themselves before the Lord. Reject Christ, go to hell. Accept Christ, live with Him for eternity. Only two choices, folks. It makes me sad that people like Gandhi may go to hell. But it isn't my world.
The argument still stands if you use "result" instead "reflection" (In terms of connotation in this sentence, the meaning remains the same.). It's the logical equivalent of "where there's smoke there's fire". Good works come from allowing God to work through you. Allowing God to work through you is a part of Faith. So where there are good works there is faith.
I agree - except that last statement. Man in his natural state is capable of doing good works.
It is man's purpose to glorify God. If someone does a good work, and then tries to glorify Satan, that act, no matter how good, is counted evil - not because of the act, but because of the motive.
And no, hell is not an "edification" topic. This post is, perhaps, in the wrong forum.
And smoke is an indication of heat and chemical reaction. I've seen both smoke without fire, and fire with very little discernible smoke.
John 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
Did Jesus say this to Nicodemus , Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man do a bunch of good stuff, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
I don't think so
vs 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
How can a man be born again he asks.... Is it by living a Ghandi like life we are born again?
So back to the original OP, if Gandhi has not accept Christ as Lord and Savior, then didn't go to heaven.