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Is faith for the weak and hopeless people only?

Discussion in 'Requests for Christian Advice' started by LayHong_Loves_Christ, Dec 6, 2020.

  1. aiki

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    But God does not force His willingness to pay our sin-debt upon us. We must choose to take what He is offering. And that offer comes with conditions - conditions many refuse, preventing their liberty from their sin-debt.

    He saves all who wish to be saved. He has never proposed to do more. It seems, then, that God's salvation is entirely effective.

    Because we are not puppets, we are not robots He programs to behave always exactly as He likes. We cannot love Him if we are robots, and it is love that is God's prime concern in our relating with Him.
     
  2. Chris35

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    Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

    25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”

    26Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

    Why is it so hard for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God?

    You answered it in your own question. They have everything, they don't need God in their life, so they don't search.

    Your post sounds like your saying that the poor and weak made the religion because they need something.

    It's quite the opposite, God is real, it is the poor and the weak, that are the first to find him, because they have nothing to lose and start searching.

    Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promi10sed those who love him?

    Because you say, “I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing,” and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked.

    You could come to me and say God isn't real, that your just following religion because you are poor.

    You could offer me a million dollars to leave Christianity and God. I'd tell you the same thing. You consider yourself, rich but your poor. What I know and have with God now, is far greater then the riches of the world.
     
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  3. LayHong_Loves_Christ

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    If everything is possible with God, then let God save Hitler also. :clap:
     
  4. Dave L

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    Faith happens when a part of you that is born dead is brought to life supernaturally by God and can discern him for the first time. It never happens to most. But if it happens, you become overwhelmed with joy and happiness and want all you can get. You keep it going through bible study and trying to live like Christ where love controls all your thoughts and actions.
     
  5. Maria Billingsley

    Maria Billingsley Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Welcome ! I am not sure what you are getting at. Reading further down the post I gather you are challenging the work of the Holy Spirit and The Father who sent Him. It is a two way relationship. Even if a heart is pricked there is no guarantee that heart will receive fully the Gift. We have a choice to act upon the free gift or refuse it. Many will refuse. Be blessed,
     
  6. chad kincham

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    Atheists and successful people who ignore or reject God have a lousy retirement plan - they go to the lake permanently, but they won’t like the temperature in the lake of fire very much.

    Jesus isn’t a crutch - he’s the entire hospital and ICU...

    A lot of successful high powered executives abuse alcohol, which is their crutch.

    BTW there are also a lot of successful people who are believers, like the owners of Chic Fil A, Hobby Lobby, the My Pillow guy, and many more.
     
  7. chad kincham

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    Faith happens when you hear the word of God.

    Romans 10:17 is even in Calvinists bibles.

    Then we have a choice: to reject Jesus, as His own elect nation of Israel that Jesus came for, did, John 1:11, or to receive Jesus and become a son of God, John 1:12.

    BTW Stephen said the reason they rejected and killed their own Messiah who came for them, and killed the prophets God sent, is because they RESIST the Holly Spirit.

    There’s no such thing as irresistible grace.
     
  8. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Dead people must be born again before they can understand scripture4. The Pharisees are an example. Grace changes an unbeliever into a believer against their will. If it were up to them they would choose an idol every time.
     
  9. Fullness of the Gentiles

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    Faith is only about whether or not we believe in God and in the statements made in the Bible. It has nothing to do with who is weak and who is strong.

    The Bible is full of statements, for example, "in the beginning God..." "...created the heavens and the earth".

    When people who believe in God and in the Lord Jesus Christ become persecuted for their faith (what they believe) and yet stand up for what they believe, does this mean they are weak or strong people?

    What about when people deny Christ because they start being persecuted for their faith. Are they weak?

    Faith is only about whether people believe in God and the Lord Jesus Christ, and about what people believe about God and the Lord Jesus Christ and what the scriptures say about Him. It has nothing to do with who is weak or who is strong any more than what people believe about evolution, flat earth etc etc is about how weak or strong they are.
     
  10. RaymondG

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    God gives us a choice whether or not we live rich or poor, and whether or not we desire life or death.

    We can be believers or unbelievers and be blessed with material wealth.

    The different between the two is that one dies while the other do not:

    "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?", Jesus.

    "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"
     
  11. Anthony2019

    Anthony2019 Pax et bonum! CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    I once attended a church in one of the most affluent parishes in England.

    A lot of the people in the church were very wealthy, highly educated, and in professional occupations.

    Yet they were some of the most kind, generous and humble people I had met.

    At the time, I was going through a crisis and a couple at the church invited me to live with them at their home.

    God's love can reach out to anyone. I have no doubt that God led me to these fine Christians because they gave me so much care and support.
     
  12. Servant_Jon_4_Christ

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    Is faith for the weak and hopeless people only?

    It doesn’t matter if you are weak or hopeless, or if you are strong and hopeful. Faith applies to all people who are believers. Unbelievers already have no sense of God, so they do not fit into the category of someone with “faith”. As stated in Hebrews 11:6-7 “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.” Or as stated in Hebrews 11:1 “Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.” A perfect example of this is Noah who was seen as blameless in God’s eyes. He was very faithful to the end, and him and his family were saved.
     
  13. zoidar

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    I don't think it's that the "weak", I rather use poor, think that God will compensate them for a hard life. It's more that they are depending each day on God to survive. Rich people don't have the same acute need for God, which makes it harder for them to enter through the narrow gate.
     
  14. grasping the after wind

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    All die the first death. If all die and that was the end of it, what would be the point of faith at all? For the weak and hopeless would not have any more comfort than the strong and hopeless? Both would be hopeless and faith would be useless.


    All should accept the free gift but many reject it.
     
  15. LayHong_Loves_Christ

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    People reject because of no undoubtable evidence.
     
  16. Tigger45

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    It doesn’t matter how rich or healthy a person is because it’s all fleeting and therefore everyone is weak and hopeless. The difference is believers understand this.
     
  17. LayHong_Loves_Christ

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    If the Spirit can generate faith in my heart, why not He did the same thing in the heart of Hitler?
    So that Hitler will not massacre so many people?
     
  18. PaulCyp1

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    All will die - correct. None will come back - correct. Which is why it is so essential to give careful attention to where we will go after we die.
     
  19. Joined2krist

    Joined2krist Well-Known Member CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    Nothing lasts in this world, it's all passing away. The only things worth giving your time are the things of God because it lasts.
     
  20. grasping the after wind

    grasping the after wind That's grasping after the wind

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    Well, There is no such thing as undoubtable evidence.
     
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