Is being a gay pedophile worst then being a pedofile?

[I-can-see]

Ok, being a pedophile is wrong. But, what about the cases when men rape little boys, and women little girls? Is that worse then normal pedophilia? Or is it all the same?

 

[Hentenza]

The end result is the same. An immensely hurt child.

 

[Nilla]

I agree with Hentenza on this.. it doesn't matter who's doing it.. it's just as bad in my opinion.

 

[Strong in Him]

Worse for who?

I'm sure the child doesn't care about the sexual orientation of his or her rapist - and btw, women can't rape. And paedophilia is sin in God's eyes, just as much as anger, pride, bitterness etc. I don't think God had degrees of sin - it's all falling short of his glory, it all means we need a Saviour.

 

[OllieFranz]

Worse for who?

I'm sure the child doesn't care about the sexual orientation of his or her rapist - and btw, women can't rape. And paedophilia is sin in God's eyes, just as much as anger, pride, bitterness etc. I don't think God had degrees of sin - it's all falling short of his glory, it all means we need a Saviour.
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I do not want to derail this thread, and I suspect that if we were to pursue the point, then your answer might wind up skirting the forum rule against vulgarity and graphic sex, but I just wanted to point out that even though women do not have the natural equipment to perform one particular physical form of rape, it does not mean that they can't participate in other illegal sexual acts with partners who have not consented or cannot legally grant consent.

 

[Strong in Him]

Thank you - yes, forget I said that. It may be true, but it may derail the thread into all kinds of unsavoury areas.

Rape is bad, no matter who does it.

 

[Armistead14]

This is really splitting hairs. The rape of the child, the harm is the sin, regardless of the sexuality of the adult. Both homo's and hetero's do this to children.

Some debate genetic code causing one to become a pedophile, which would state they can't help it. That's debatable, but possible. However, many emotional illnesses have genetic leanings. Problems arise because these genetics often play a terrible emotional role connecting the two for an even worse case scenario. Take a child that may have a ped parent with genetic coding. The child may have no code, but on emotional pattern and abuse, grow up and do the same. Each have to be treated, why at the same time protected....

BUT, it has nothing to do with the S.O. of the adult....and really just silly to bring it up as a comparison.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Is a murder worsened by the race of the murderer? That is the equivalent moral assessment here. It is clear from criminal statistics that African-Americans who murder whites are punished more severely than African-Americans who murder other African-Americans. I would suspect, similarly, in some manner men who assault boys are often punished more severely than those who assault girls. However, another reason for that may be that girls who are so victimized are often blamed for their own assault, especially of they are viewed as "seductive". We have had instances in the U.S. where for instance a judge referred to a six-year-old female victim of sexual assault as a "harlot" and so forth. Also, a lot of people with loud mouths but much willful ignorance assert sexual assault "makes" certain boys gay. This is a popular cultural belief not based in fact; in some cases boys so victimized are effeminate or passive or may already identify as gay. OTOH, sexual assaults in all male milleaus as sports teams and military units are assertions primarily acts of dominance, just like sexual assaults of women.

 

[BigBadWlf]

I am failing to see the connection between pedophiles and homosexuals.

 

[Strong in Him]

I am failing to see the connection between pedophiles and homosexuals.

I probably shouldn't presume to answer for the OP, but it sounds like they're saying that being gay is a sin, and being a peodophile is a sin, so is being a gay peopdophile doubly sinful?

I may have got that wrong, but in any case, I can't see where this discussion is going or what more I can say - so I'm unsubscribing.

 

[OllieFranz]

Thank you - yes, forget I said that. It may be true, but it may derail the thread into all kinds of unsavoury areas.

Rape is bad, no matter who does it.

This is really splitting hairs. The rape of the child, the harm is the sin, regardless of the sexuality of the adult. Both homo's and hetero's do this to children.

Some debate genetic code causing one to become a pedophile, which would state they can't help it. That's debatable, but possible. However, many emotional illnesses have genetic leanings. Problems arise because these genetics often play a terrible emotional role connecting the two for an even worse case scenario. Take a child that may have a ped parent with genetic coding. The child may have no code, but on emotional pattern and abuse, grow up and do the same. Each have to be treated, why at the same time protected....

BUT, it has nothing to do with the S.O. of the adult....and really just silly to bring it up as a comparison.

I am failing to see the connection between pedophiles and homosexuals.

I suspect that the point of the OP question is to hammer home the fact that heterosexual rape is not "better" than homosexual rape. Something a lot of conservatives seem all too often to forget.

 

[Hentenza]

I suspect that the point of the OP question is to hammer home the fact that heterosexual rape is not "better" than homosexual rape. Something a lot of conservatives seem all too often to forget.

Quite a broad brush there Ollie. Nice veiled insult of conservatives.

The "point" is not who "raped" but that any 'rape", specially when the victim is a child, is heinous.

 

[BigBadWlf]

I probably shouldn't presume to answer for the OP, but it sounds like they're saying that being gay is a sin, and being a peodophile is a sin, so is being a gay peopdophile doubly sinful?

I may have got that wrong, but in any case, I can't see where this discussion is going or what more I can say - so I'm unsubscribing.

Except that research has consistently shown that pedophiles are almost exclusively heterosexuals.

 

[OllieFranz]

Quite a broad brush there Ollie. Nice veiled insult of conservatives.
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You are probably right, and I apologize.

But the fact still remains that there are a lot of people out there like the judge that Lynn's post referred to, and even more who would see a modern rape for what it is, but still insist that Genesis 19 is about "homosexuality." Maybe only a small portion of conservatives, but a portion which, because it is so visible, and is not reined in by the majority, tends to define the movement in many eyes.

 

[Jase]

Quite a broad brush there Ollie. Nice veiled insult of conservatives.

The "point" is not who "raped" but that any 'rape", specially when the victim is a child, is heinous.

Clearly that wasn't the OPs intention for this thread, otherwise why start a topic asking if homosexual pedophiles are worse? Especially considering his demonstrated position on homosexuality in the other thread.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Quite a broad brush there Ollie. Nice veiled insult of conservatives.

The "point" is not who "raped" but that any 'rape", specially when the victim is a child, is heinous.

So you say. But if a girl, of any sexual orientation, or a gay boy are the victims, and can be shown to have been sexually active presently or in the recent past, the standard response from our sexist and heterosexist institutions is to blame the victim.

There was a reason, during the Jim Crow era (approximately 1890 to 1955) that African-American men were portrayed as insatiable sexual outlaws and their alleged victims were always portrayed as pure blonde princeses. This was serious social engineering going on. Women were portrayed as helpless and weak, minorities as subhuman, and gay men as either conniving fops and manipulators like Oscar Wilde or weak, effeminate freaks of no consequence like Quentin Crisp. Thus, by turning oppressed groups against one another, social control of and by the white power structure was maintained. Throw in religion and you've got the perfect storm of exercise of power and control over others by clever manipulation.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Ok, being a pedophile is wrong.

Um... no it isn't. Minus the fact that attractions (temptations some would call it) are not wrong, the Bible never says sex with a child is wrong or an abomination, and in fact it is covered by the general rule of sex, wrong if not married, ok with married.

But just to be clear, you do realize a pedophile is only attracted to children. If they have actually harmed a child, we call them a child molester.

But, what about the cases when men rape little boys, and women little girls? Is that worse then normal pedophilia? Or is it all the same?

The Bible speaks against same sex interactions, but it never gives a bottom age limit on marriage. It is quite hard to come up with any reason that God does not approve of a heterosexual child marriage, assuming your government does not ban them (so can't do it here in America, but you can in Brazil, Japan (country law says 12 in minimum, though virtually every prefecture raises it on its own), and a couple areas in the middle east.

According to a strict reading of the Bible, not only is homosexuality worse than heterosexual pedophile, there is nothing wrong with heterosexual pedophilia as long as they marry the child first.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Worse for who?

I'm sure the child doesn't care about the sexual orientation of his or her rapist - and btw, women can't rape. And paedophilia is sin in God's eyes, just as much as anger, pride, bitterness etc. I don't think God had degrees of sin - it's all falling short of his glory, it all means we need a Saviour.

A woman can too rape. But I don't remember a single verse in the Bible saying pedophilia is a sin, considering that the culture back then had child marriage. Mind producing some?

 

[lawtonfogle]

I am failing to see the connection between pedophiles and homosexuals.

You always do. You gotta remember, they are as connected just as much as pedophilia and heterosexuality.

 

[lawtonfogle]

I probably shouldn't presume to answer for the OP, but it sounds like they're saying that being gay is a sin, and being a peodophile is a sin, so is being a gay peopdophile doubly sinful?

I may have got that wrong, but in any case, I can't see where this discussion is going or what more I can say - so I'm unsubscribing.

Bible doesn't say pedophilia is wrong. Or did I miss a verse somewhere?


Isn't it a sin to add things to the Bible... at least doesn't Revelations say that very bad things will happen to you if you do?