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Is anything required to be saved or for salvation...?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Neogaia777, Jul 21, 2017.

  1. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Disciple Supporter

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    Is anything required to be saved or for salvation...?

    Some say some thing(s) is or is not required to be saved...?

    My answer is, that if there is, or whether or not there is or not, only God alone would know and be able to judge each individual case and decide and know, whether there is or not any requirement on that individuals part, to be saved...

    My answer is there "could" be... But if there is only God alone and no man would know or be able to say so, or tell you for sure... There are just way to many factors to factor in to judge that, factors only a God would know or could handle with perfect justice...

    The fact that there "may be" for you should keep you on your toes, so to speak, concerning yourself... There "may be" but whether there "will be" (for sure) only God alone knows, can tell, or can judge (that)...

    This may require that you judge yourself as to where you should be at, or what level of accountability you are at as it pertains to a particular thing being a requirement or not for salvation... But, we are not very good judges of ourselves either, since, in our lives, you might be doing really well spiritually speaking for a time, but then, not so well later one, then after that, better, then after that, not so good again, then, back to better, ect, ect...

    You should know God already knows about this before it ever happens, and shows compassion on it, and understands it very well and factors it in in his judgement...

    Comments...?

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  2. Hall

    Hall God is good

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    I think the main requirement is to repent of our sins and accept Jesus in our hearts, and by doing so we learn to become like this little by little:

    But I say, vwalk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify wthe desires of the flesh. xthe desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, yto keep you from doing the things you want to do. zled by the Spirit, ayou are not under the law. bthe works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, cdivisions, 4drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that dthose who do5 such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. ethe fruit of the Spirit is flove, joy, peace, patience, gkindness, goodness, faithfulness, hgentleness, iself-control; jagainst such things there is no law. khave crucified the flesh with its lpassions and desires.

    mlet us also keep in step with the Spirit. nLet us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. Galatians 5:1
     
  3. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Disciple Supporter

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    I'm trying to say that whether or not a person is accountable to a thing or another thing, or the "should be's" in a persons life, should be here, should be there, should have this or that down pat or not, and how it is tied into salvation, only God himself alone can know or judge, and we cannot...

    God Bless!
     
  4. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Disciple Supporter

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    I'm trying to say or ask that, whatever prerequisites there may, or may not be, for salvation, by or for an individual, on an individual by individual basis, cannot really be known or judged by anyone but God alone...
     
  5. klutedavid

    klutedavid Well-Known Member

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    Hello Neogaia777.

    How are we saved?

    1 Corinthians 15
    1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day.
     
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  6. Hall

    Hall God is good

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    I agree, only God can judge us in the way we are living our lives because only He can see and knows our intentions and our hearts.
     
  7. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Disciple Supporter

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    And a whole host of other nearly infinite in number other "factors" that must be considered in any true, completely accurate, just judgment...

    God Bless!
     
  8. gordonhooker

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    Yes! talk to Aussie Home loans he'll save you.....

    or you could....

    Matt. 22 36 “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” 37 He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
     
  9. com7fy8

    com7fy8 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    There is nothing good enough, of our own selves, to get us saved > Luke 9:23, 2 Corinthians 3:4-5. We need how God in His grace effects our nature and changes us to become saved and then perfected in His love > 1 John 4:17.

    We need to turn from our own way and trust in Jesus (Ephesians 1:12), then be corrected (Hebrews 12:4-11) and perfected in His love (1 John 4:17).

    Only God can truly know us. Also, only God at any moment can know what He desires with each of us and what He desires for each of us to do. And so >

    "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

    "Therefore submit to God." (in James 4:7)
     
  10. SkyWriting

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    The only "work"involved is accepting and trusting in God
    through faith, that He alone can forgive you your sins.
     
  11. amariselle

    amariselle Jesus Never Fails

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    We cannot work for or earn our salvation. The Bible is clear in this regard.

    "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    Not of works, lest any man should boast." - Ephesians 2:8

    The Law shows us our sin and our guilt before God, but it cannot save us, only faith in Christ, Who alone perfectly fulfilled the Law can.

    "Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

    Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

    But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

    Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

    For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

    Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

    To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

    Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

    Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

    Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

    Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." - Romans 3:19-31

    Repentance is a turning from dead works (trying to earn salvation) and whatever we were trusting in to to save us, and turning to Christ in faith for salvation.

    "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God..." - Hebrews 6:1

    We must repent of our unbelief and turn to Christ in belief. This is faith. We do not need to stop sinning (keep the Law) to be saved, because, the Bible is clear, no one can do so, and only Christ has perfectly kept and fufilled the Law.

    Also, Jesus clearly taught what is required for salvation:

    "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." - Matthew 7:21

    And we can know, from Scripture what the "will of the Father is."

    "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

    And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." - John 6:39-40

    "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

    That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:14-18


    Here some more verses:

    "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

    For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

    For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

    And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

    Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

    Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

    For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

    There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

    For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

    Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief." - Hebrews 4:1-11

    Jesus is our Sabbath.

    "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

    Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

    For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."
    - Matthew 11:28-30

    And we cannot mix grace with works, or we cancel grace.

    "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work." - Romans 11:6

    "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

    Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

    For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

    Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

    For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

    For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

    Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

    This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

    A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. - Galatians 5:1-9


    Our works cannot save us, we must believe, be born again, and sealed with the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. Christ really meant it when He said "It is finished!" He did not fail at what He came to do, and He has done it ALL.
     
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  12. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    YHWH entrusted TORAH to the JEWS.
    TORAH describes a lot that is not understood by most multitudes today, anywhere.
    Include PROPHETS, PSALMS, and NEW TESTAMENT and there's a lot more that is not understood by most multitudes today, anywhere.

    Did YHWH tell ?

    Yes.

    Are there requirements ?

    Yes.

    Who said ? Who says ?

    YHWH. YHWH.

    Where ?

    In His Word.
     
  13. DigitalSoldier0

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    If you are questioning your salvation then you are being attacked by the devil. For the devils tactics and how to overcome sin, go to thedevilstactics.simdif.com
     
  14. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Disciple Supporter

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    It was more trying to collect information on what people place their security in their salvation in/on...

    I know I am saved, but can't say "how" I know... I just "know" at the inside of me, that I am saved...

    Was just curious about others though...

    And if any would claim any other claim or reason(s) other than Christ and what he has done for us...

    When did you know you were saved? What gives you that assurance...?

    God Bless!
     
  15. Neogaia777

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    I also know that there was a time when I was not or didn't, but not now, but I can't where/when/how/why I made the transition from not knowing to knowing...
     
  16. he-man

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    Yes, you are required to be invited by God to be able to participate and then if He accepts you you are on the way to first seek and then you will find. Mt. 6:33;
     
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