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Featured Is a Jerusalem Third Temple needed before Zechariah 14 can happen?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by DennisTate, Apr 14, 2018.

  1. No.... we Christians are the temple.

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  2. Yes.... the words of Ezekiel must come to pass....

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  3. I am not sure... but I will definitely research this.....

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  4. No....

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  5. Yes.....

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  1. DennisTate

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    I am convinced that the answer to this question is ....... yes!

    But it is pretty amazing how divided we Christians are on this topic so far.


    Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.


    Should Christians support Jerusalem Third Temple?
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      Yes... the words of Ezekiel must come to pass.
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    2. No.... it will lead to the rise of the Anti-Christ fellow.
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    3. Yes.... living waters will flow from the restored Third Temple.
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    4. No... Christians must not support animal sacrifice.
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    5. I am not certain but I will research this question further.
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    6. No... this could cause a war to break out.
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    Grant R. Jeffrey Ph. D. made some fascinating comments on the relationship between the Messianic Jewish community of the first century.......... until the destruction of the Temple...... and he compared what happened then with what will happen when Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 are finally fulfilled in the millennium.


     
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  2. DennisTate

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    I admit it..... Zechariah chapter 14 is scary..........
    so humanly.... we tend to want to see these events delayed..... and delayed......
    and delayed......!

    Zechariah 14:2


    but...... there is obvious good news in the idea of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus ruling over the nations of the world..... and even getting a representative sample of nations to come to the Festival of Tabernacles.............


    Zec 14:16


     
  3. seventysevens

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    The building of a third temple is entirely a Jewish matter - The Jews that have not accepted Christ are those that want the third temple.
    I have not heard of Messianic Jews pushing for a third temple - however some may if they think it will usher in the coming of our Lord sooner :)
     
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  4. DennisTate

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    Well said seventysevens............... this earth has so much injustice and pain and suffering.......
    that the literal fulfillment of Zechariah chapter 14...... and Ezekiel 47.........
    seem like the only possible way to usher in a vastly better world........

    where finally.......


    Jeremiah 31:34

    And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

    and.....

    Hebrews 8:11

    And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
     
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    Grant Jeffrey also cut and pasted the post-trib writings of the Early Church Fathers in an attempt to promote his pretrib doctrine.

    Pretribulationist Revisionism
    (Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints)
    Pastor Tim Warner
    http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Jeffrey.pdf





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  6. Douggg

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    Zechariah 14 will happen before the temple in Ezekiel 40-48 is built. The Ezekiel 40-48 temple is too large to be construction in the timeframe of 7 months after Gog/Magog.

    A small expedited version of the temple will be constructed of minimum dimensions in order to get the animal sacrifices started as soon as possible.

    Somebody on You Tube put together a verse by verse video of the Ezekiel 40-48 temple.
     
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  7. DennisTate

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    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That is exactly what I was suspecting myself!!!!!! (I hope that it is OK that I bolded and enlarged that sentence in your reply.............. I really think that that idea is important)!
     
  8. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    It's okay, Dennis. Bold or color highlight any part of my text you want, anytime, to show what you are are referencing. I do it all the time to other people's text, :)
     
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  9. Davy

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    A third Jerusalem temple (not Ezekiel's temple) is needed to fulfill the final "one week" of Dan.9:27 and Dan.11 regarding the "vile person" as the coming Antichrist. That future temple is the temple of God that Apostle Paul was talking about in 2 Thessalonians 2 that the Antichrist is to come and sit in, playing God.

    But it's not really the 3rd temple, but a 4th one technically. The 2nd temple was built after the remnant of Jews returned from the Babylon captivity. Herod's later modifications is what some claim to be a 3rd temple. So the temple today's orthodox Jews have the materials ready to build would be a 4th temple which will be destroyed by Jesus' return. The Ezekiel temple will be a 5th temple.

    And I don't interpret the sacrifices in Ezekiel 40-48 to be literal, because Paul used the idea of our love to The Father and His Son as a type of sacrifice.
     
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    A third Jerusalem temple (not Ezekiel's temple) is needed to fulfill the final "one week" of Dan.9:27 and Dan.11 regarding the "vile person" as the coming Antichrist. That future temple is the temple of God that Apostle Paul was talking about in 2 Thessalonians 2 that the Antichrist is to come and sit in, playing God.

    But it's not really the 3rd temple, but a 4th one technically. The 2nd temple was built after the remnant of Jews returned from the Babylon captivity. Herod's later modifications is what some claim to be a 3rd temple. So the temple today's orthodox Jews have the materials ready to build would be a 4th temple which will be destroyed by Jesus' return. The Ezekiel temple will be a 5th temple.

    And I don't interpret the sacrifices in Ezekiel 40-48 to be literal, because Paul used the idea of our love to The Father and His Son as a type of sacrifice.
     
  11. DennisTate

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    Thank you for this very interesting reply.

    It seems like the additions made by King Herod are the least stable.

    The Bulge on the Southern Wall of the Temple Mount Becomes Larger
     
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    Yeah I can go along with that.
     
  14. keras

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    But I don't, because the new Temple will be built by the Lord's faithful Christian people, who will occupy all of the holy land soon after the Lord's day of wrath, the Sixth Seal has cleared that entire area.
    They- WE; will build the new Temple, Zechariah 1:16, Haggai 2:7-9, + and we will make thank offerings to God in it. Jeremiah 33:11 & 18, Isaiah 56:6-7, Ezekiel 46:4-7, + and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Revelation 11:1 make it quite clear that will be a Temple in Jerusalem before Jesus Returns.

    Why deny these truths?
    If they don't suit your beliefs, then look to what you have been taught; don't just parrot ideas that fail the scripture proof test.
     
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    The next temple to be built in Jerusalem will be built by the orthodox unbelieving Jews, as they already have the materials and plan on starting up the old covenant worship again. They still reject Jesus Christ as Messiah. They're still waiting on Messiah's first and only coming (they think). Yet God is going to send them an imposter at the very end of this present world before Jesus comes.
     
  16. keras

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    Scripture simply does not support this scenario.
    Of the Jews, only a remnant will be saved, Romans 9:27, Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4, + Those Jews who have accepted Jesus now.
    The Sixth Seal devastation will clear the Temple Mount and the people who will re-inhabit all the holy Land; every faithful Christian, will build a new Temple and worship God in it. Ezekiel 40-48, Zechariah 6:15, Isaiah 56:1-8, +

    There is no imposter Messiah, The Anti-Christ leader of the One World Govt of all the rest of the world, will demand worship of himself. Revelation 13:11-15
     
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    In 2 Thess.2:3-4, Apostle Paul uses the idea of the imposter poses as "God" (Greek theon) which can point to Jesus Christ because Jesus is God The Son.

    In Matt.24:23-26, Jesus was pointing directly to a singular pseudochristos coming to work great signs and wonders that if possible would deceive even His very elect. The KJV translators translated pseudochristos to "false Christs", but the context of those 23-26 verses is about a singular false Christ, and it aligns with the same false one Paul warned of in 2 Thess.2 and that John warned of in Rev.13:11 forward that's to come and actual work miracles to deceive the world.

    The Greek 'pseudochristos' is made up of two words, pseudo meaning false, and christos which means Christ (singular). The direct translation is 'a false Christ' (Dr. James Strong translated it as "a spurious Messiah" - no.5580).

    Plenty enough Biblical evidence then for that imposter coming to play Christ in Jerusalem for the end.
     
  18. keras

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    The Anti-Christ, as described in the Bible, will demand worship of himself, he will call himself god and sit in the Temple. For starters, this proves there will be a new Temple, so yes, there is your false Christ, if you want to call him that.

    As the OP asks, it is when the AC breaks his treaty with the Christian people of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, that Zechariah 14:1-2 is fulfilled. Confirmed by Revelation 12:6-17 and Revelation 13:5-7
     
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    Isaiah 61:2 and Zechariah 14:1-2 are both about the final day of this present world, i.e., the "day of the Lord", not the time when the Antichrist will end sacrifices in Jerusalem and setup the abomination idol, which is when he will break the "league" of Dan.11.
     
  20. keras

    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

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    Your opinion. Quite wrong and totally unscriptural.

    Thinking that Zechariah 14:1-2 happens at the Return, is quite impossible. Is the city conquered by enemies then, ransacked and the women raped?
    Does half of the people go into exile then? No: these two verses apply to the time described in Revelation 12:6-17, when Satan comes down to earth and conquers the holy people, Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7

    THEN in verse three, Jesus Returns, as we know from Daniel and Revelation; 1260 days later.

    Isaiah 61:2 is the Lord's Day of vengeance and wrath; the Sixth Seal, which is the next prophesies event we can expect.
     
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