Iron Clad example proving OSAS from John 10:28

[FreeGrace2]

John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

While this seems quite straight forward, many simply do not see anything about eternal security in what Jesus said.

So, this thread will provide a hypothetical example to illustrate what Jesus was actually saying.

In this example, there is a doctor, which relates to Jesus Christ. (biblically accurate as well, since Jesus is the Great Physician - Matt 9:12, Mark 2:17).

There is a patient, which relates to a person needing healing from illness.

There is an elixir, which relates to the gift of eternal life.

Here is the example.

The Doctor tells the patient that he has an elixir that will heal him and he WILL NEVER become ill again.

If this were true, and the patient took the elixir, then he would NEVER GET ILL AGAIN.

Notice a few things: the doctor didn't tell the patient what ELSE he must do in order to never get ill again. Nothing about diet change, specific exercises, or anything else. Doing these things is tantamount to what the conditional security crowd tell people how to "stay saved":
must continue to believe - continue to take the elixir
must repent of EACH sin

In the example, simply taking the elixir results in NEVER GETTING ILL again.

In the SAME WAY, those who receive the gift of eternal life WILL NEVER PERISH.

The point of this thread and example is that the condition for NEVER GETTING ILL again is to take the elixir, and nothing else.

The point is that the conditon for NEVER PERISHING is to RECEIVE eternal life. Not whatever is REQUIRED after that, as the conditional security crowd always adds.

So, the point of John 10:28 is that what Jesus does AT THE BEGINNING OF one's faith will result in that person NEVER PERISHING.

The conditional security crowd simply misses this extremely important point.

While there is no such elixir, that if taken, will result in never getting ill again. We all know that. But if it wre trure, then one who receives the elixir will never get ill again.

In the same way, when one receives the gift of God, eternal life, they are PROMISED that they WILL NEVER PERISH.

Jesus added no conditions following receiving eternal life.

Eternal life is received on the basis of believing the gospel. There are no further conditions to be met to avoid perishing.

 

[Wolf_Says]

John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

While this seems quite straight forward, many simply do not see anything about eternal security in what Jesus said.

So, this thread will provide a hypothetical example to illustrate what Jesus was actually saying.

In this example, there is a doctor, which relates to Jesus Christ. (biblically accurate as well, since Jesus is the Great Physician - Matt 9:12, Mark 2:17).

There is a patient, which relates to a person needing healing from illness.

There is an elixir, which relates to the gift of eternal life.

Here is the example.

The Doctor tells the patient that he has an elixir that will heal him and he WILL NEVER become ill again.

If this were true, and the patient took the elixir, then he would NEVER GET ILL AGAIN.

Notice a few things: the doctor didn't tell the patient what ELSE he must do in order to never get ill again. Nothing about diet change, specific exercises, or anything else. Doing these things is tantamount to what the conditional security crowd tell people how to "stay saved":
must continue to believe - continue to take the elixir
must repent of EACH sin

In the example, simply taking the elixir results in NEVER GETTING ILL again.

In the SAME WAY, those who receive the gift of eternal life WILL NEVER PERISH.

The point of this thread and example is that the condition for NEVER GETTING ILL again is to take the elixir, and nothing else.

The point is that the conditon for NEVER PERISHING is to RECEIVE eternal life. Not whatever is REQUIRED after that, as the conditional security crowd always adds.

So, the point of John 10:28 is that what Jesus does AT THE BEGINNING OF one's faith will result in that person NEVER PERISHING.

The conditional security crowd simply misses this extremely important point.

While there is no such elixir, that if taken, will result in never getting ill again. We all know that. But if it wre trure, then one who receives the elixir will never get ill again.

In the same way, when one receives the gift of God, eternal life, they are PROMISED that they WILL NEVER PERISH.

Jesus added no conditions following receiving eternal life.

Eternal life is received on the basis of believing the gospel. There are no further conditions to be met to avoid perishing.

Alright, well then what about satan? He believes in the gospel, as he tries to destroy it and everything relating to God.

Does that mean that he has eternal salavation because he believes in the gospel?

This one verse alone does not mean that we cannot lose our salvation, because we (as humans) can and do turn away from God.

Your example does not do salvation justice. It dumbs it down to a point where it sounds like, no matter WHAT this man did, he cannot get sick.

Does this mean that no matter WHAT we do, we cannot lose salvation? Does that mean that we can kill, steal, rape, and vandalize and still have our salvation without repenting because we believe in the gospel?

If so, then what exactly is the point of the 10 commandments now?

Or the fact that Jesus told us to eat his flesh and drink his blood so that we may abide in him and he in us? John 6:54-56

Or the fact that Jesus gave the disciples the ability to forgive (and retain) sins? John 20:23

Or that we need to be baptized to be able to enter the kingdom of God? John 3:5

What about Jesus separating us by our works between sheep and goats? Matthew 25:31-46

Once saved always saved does not add up to the complete Bible and what it teaches.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Alright, well then what about satan? He believes in the gospel, as he tries to destroy it and everything relating to God.

Does that mean that he has eternal salavation because he believes in the gospel?

Does Satan believe in God or does Satan know.

Satan stood in front of God asking God if He could tempt Job.

How and where do you ever get the idea that Satan or any of the fallen angels are even offered salvation? God says that their future is already set. The Lake of Fire has been created for them and they will reside there for eternity.

Why do you think the demons Christ cast out were asking if He has come to get them before their time? Because they know their fate.

 

[Wolf_Says]

Does Satan believe in God or does Satan know.

Satan stood in front of God asking God if He could tempt Job.

How and where do you ever get the idea that Satan or any of the fallen angels are even offered salvation? God says that their future is already set. The Lake of Fire has been created for them and they will reside there for eternity.

Why do you think the demons Christ cast out were asking if He has come to get them before their time? Because they know their fate.

I was making a comparison to the OPs statement that all you need to do is believe in the gospel and you have eternal salvation, and that those fallen angels believe in the gospel, yet they are damned.

I never stated that they are offered salvation. Please re-read my post.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I was making a comparison to the OPs statement that all you need to do is believe in the gospel and you have eternal salvation, and that those fallen angels believe in the gospel, yet they are damned.

I never stated that they are offered salvation. Please re-read my post.

The point is that they were not offered salvation. God sent His Son into the world. Earth, to human beings who do not know for sure He exists and that it is by faith that we believe.

Satan cannot believe by faith because to KNOW God exists does not need any element of faith. So why would you even think that verse is relevant to angels who once resided with God? Makes no sense to me. That is my point.

 

[Greg J.]

If there was an "ironclad" argument for or against OSAS there would be hardly any dispute about it. There is Scriptural support for both sides. A single passage is not even capable of being "the final word" on this subject.

(By the way, for any interested, Jesus' death is not even capable of covering Satan's sins, for multiple reasons.)

 

[Neatz]

If believing the gospel, the good news of the Lord Jesus Christ, that He died for our sins and He rose from the grave, and He gives to us, His believers, eternal life, is not enough to be saved, what further requirements are there?
What must I do to be saved?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Alright, well then what about satan? He believes in the gospel, as he tries to destroy it and everything relating to God.

Is this question just a dodge of the OP? What about Satan. We know from Scripture what happened to him. Which is irrelevant to what Jesus said in John 10:28.

This one verse alone does not mean that we cannot lose our salvation, because we (as humans) can and do turn away from God.

It seems your view is that Jesus really didn't mean what He said then. Why is that?

Your example does not do salvation justice. It dumbs it down to a point where it sounds like, no matter WHAT this man did, he cannot get sick.

Exactly what Jesus said about those He gives eternal life. They WILL NEVER PERISH.

But I see that the words of Jesus have not persuaded you.

Does this mean that no matter WHAT we do, we cannot lose salvation?

What else can it mean?

Does that mean that we can kill, steal, rape, and vandalize and still have our salvation without repenting because we believe in the gospel?

Either believe what Jesus said, or don't believe what He said. That's everyone's choice.

But He meant exactly what He said.

If so, then what exactly is the point of the 10 commandments now?

First, there were NEVER about salvation, since the NT is quite clear that no one keeps the Law completely. Second, obedience to God's commands will result in blessings during our life, and eternal rewards.

Or the fact that Jesus told us to eat his flesh and drink his blood so that we may abide in him and he in us? John 6:54-56

Do you know anyone who is so stupid as to think Jesus was speaking literally there?? I don't.

Once saved always saved does not add up to the complete Bible and what it teaches.

No one has ever said that eternal security "adds up to the complete Bible".

But this FACT is true: no part of the Bible contradicts any other part. The clear fact that eternal security IS taught is enough. Which is the point of the OP.

 

[FreeGrace2]

If there was an "ironclad" argument for or against OSAS there would be hardly any dispute about it.

Not really. Jesus proved that He was the Son of God by His miracles, which the Pharisees saw with their eyes. And denied His Deity just the same.

No different here. People are shown the truth from Scripture and all they do is deny it and come up with a lot of sidestepping and dodging of the truth.

There is Scriptural support for both sides. A single passage is not even capable of being "the final word" on this subject.

Respectfully, this is just ridiculous. If there is Scriptural support for both sides, then Scripture is fatally flawed and needs to be scrapped.

Truth NEVER contradicts itself. Ever.

(By the way, for any interested, Jesus' death is not even capable of covering Satan's sins, for multiple reasons.)

Since Jesus died for the sins of the world (meaning human beings) your comment is irrelevant.

 

[FreeGrace2]

If believing the gospel, the good news of the Lord Jesus Christ, that He died for our sins and He rose from the grave, and He gives to us, His believers, eternal life, is not enough to be saved, what further requirements are there?
What must I do to be saved?

Great question!! The same one the jailer from Philippi asked Paul. Here's Paul's answer in Acts 16:31 - They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

So, there is nothing else required. No further requirements.

 

[MDC]

John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

While this seems quite straight forward, many simply do not see anything about eternal security in what Jesus said.

So, this thread will provide a hypothetical example to illustrate what Jesus was actually saying.

In this example, there is a doctor, which relates to Jesus Christ. (biblically accurate as well, since Jesus is the Great Physician - Matt 9:12, Mark 2:17).

There is a patient, which relates to a person needing healing from illness.

There is an elixir, which relates to the gift of eternal life.

Here is the example.

The Doctor tells the patient that he has an elixir that will heal him and he WILL NEVER become ill again.

If this were true, and the patient took the elixir, then he would NEVER GET ILL AGAIN.

Notice a few things: the doctor didn't tell the patient what ELSE he must do in order to never get ill again. Nothing about diet change, specific exercises, or anything else. Doing these things is tantamount to what the conditional security crowd tell people how to "stay saved":
must continue to believe - continue to take the elixir
must repent of EACH sin

In the example, simply taking the elixir results in NEVER GETTING ILL again.

In the SAME WAY, those who receive the gift of eternal life WILL NEVER PERISH.

The point of this thread and example is that the condition for NEVER GETTING ILL again is to take the elixir, and nothing else.

The point is that the conditon for NEVER PERISHING is to RECEIVE eternal life. Not whatever is REQUIRED after that, as the conditional security crowd always adds.

So, the point of John 10:28 is that what Jesus does AT THE BEGINNING OF one's faith will result in that person NEVER PERISHING.

The conditional security crowd simply misses this extremely important point.

While there is no such elixir, that if taken, will result in never getting ill again. We all know that. But if it wre trure, then one who receives the elixir will never get ill again.

In the same way, when one receives the gift of God, eternal life, they are PROMISED that they WILL NEVER PERISH.

Jesus added no conditions following receiving eternal life.

Eternal life is received on the basis of believing the gospel. There are no further conditions to be met to avoid perishing.

It's very clear that eternal life is secure in Christ Jesus. It amazes me that those who profess to believe in Christ for salvation, somehow believe it is their "works" which actually KEEPS and MAINTAINS their salvation like the Judaizers. Galatians 3:2-3. This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? Salvation is all of grace and conditioned solely upon Christ Jesus and His merits alone. One who has no faith in this great truth of the gospel, will always believe that it's his works of obedience that gains and maintains his right standing with God

 

[bling]

John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

While this seems quite straight forward, many simply do not see anything about eternal security in what Jesus said.

So, this thread will provide a hypothetical example to illustrate what Jesus was actually saying.

In this example, there is a doctor, which relates to Jesus Christ. (biblically accurate as well, since Jesus is the Great Physician - Matt 9:12, Mark 2:17).

There is a patient, which relates to a person needing healing from illness.

There is an elixir, which relates to the gift of eternal life.

Here is the example.

The Doctor tells the patient that he has an elixir that will heal him and he WILL NEVER become ill again.

If this were true, and the patient took the elixir, then he would NEVER GET ILL AGAIN.

Notice a few things: the doctor didn't tell the patient what ELSE he must do in order to never get ill again. Nothing about diet change, specific exercises, or anything else. Doing these things is tantamount to what the conditional security crowd tell people how to "stay saved":
must continue to believe - continue to take the elixir
must repent of EACH sin

In the example, simply taking the elixir results in NEVER GETTING ILL again.

In the SAME WAY, those who receive the gift of eternal life WILL NEVER PERISH.

The point of this thread and example is that the condition for NEVER GETTING ILL again is to take the elixir, and nothing else.

The point is that the conditon for NEVER PERISHING is to RECEIVE eternal life. Not whatever is REQUIRED after that, as the conditional security crowd always adds.

So, the point of John 10:28 is that what Jesus does AT THE BEGINNING OF one's faith will result in that person NEVER PERISHING.

The conditional security crowd simply misses this extremely important point.

While there is no such elixir, that if taken, will result in never getting ill again. We all know that. But if it wre trure, then one who receives the elixir will never get ill again.

In the same way, when one receives the gift of God, eternal life, they are PROMISED that they WILL NEVER PERISH.

Jesus added no conditions following receiving eternal life.

Eternal life is received on the basis of believing the gospel. There are no further conditions to be met to avoid perishing.

Yes, we have been given as a pure gift eternal life with God in heaven, but we do not immediately go to heaven and so our eternal life in heaven is described as our inheritance which means we own this birthright or deed to a heavenly home:

Matt. 19:29 …will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life

Matt. 25:34 …take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

Acts 20: 32 give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

Col. 3:24 … you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward.

Heb. 6: 12 … We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.

The promises of an inheritance cannot be stolen, lost, paid for having, or even taken back by the Giver (God is not a Native American giver). But the Hebrew writer also tells us; like Esau it Can be given away of our own free will.

Heb. 12:16 See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son.

Satan would love to have our birthright, so we cannot use it.

“Giving up” does not mean someone snatched us out of God’s hand, but God is not holding us against our own will (forcing us to stay would not be Loving on God’s part). We are not being kidnapped away or taken to where we do not want to go.

Gal. 6:9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

Paul already described the Harvest for sowing good seed as eternal life, but in the end says we can give up this harvest by giving up.

 

[MDC]

Yes, we have been given as a pure gift eternal life with God in heaven, but we do not immediately go to heaven and so our eternal life in heaven is described as our inheritance which means we own this birthright or deed to a heavenly home:

Matt. 19:29 …will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life

Matt. 25:34 …take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

Acts 20: 32 give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

Col. 3:24 … you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward.

Heb. 6: 12 … We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.

The promises of an inheritance cannot be stolen, lost, paid for having, or even taken back by the Giver (God is not a Native American giver). But the Hebrew writer also tells us; like Esau it Can be given away of our own free will.

Heb. 12:16 See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son.

Satan would love to have our birthright, so we cannot use it.

“Giving up” does not mean someone snatched us out of God’s hand, but God is not holding us against our own will (forcing us to stay would not be Loving on God’s part). We are not being kidnapped away or taken to where we do not want to go.

Gal. 6:9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

Paul already described the Harvest for sowing good seed as eternal life, but in the end says we can give up this harvest by giving up.

The racist saying about Native Americans wasn't necessary. And the pagan philosophy of the autonomous "free" will is why you hold to losing ones salvation by "bad" works. It denies the power and grace of God in salvation! Which shows absolutely no faith in the gospel of Christ, but a reliance and confidence in yourself in MAINTAINING your salvation. A new creation is what salvation brings to the believer in Christ. The seed that fell on good ground (regenerated heart) will ALWAYS produce fruit, some 30,60, 100 fold.. Christ Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. All of grace! From beginning to end. So the fallacy that eternal security teaches a license to sin, is complete nonsense. Whenever the security of a believer in Christ is brought up, the pride of man rises to the surface to lift up his self righteous works salvation, as a means of maintaining his rt standing with God. Scripture is so clear that "they shall never parish"... "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. And I give them eternal life, and they SHALL NEVER perish.. But those who are of God hears Gods Words

 

[Wolf_Says]

Do you know anyone who is so stupid as to think Jesus was speaking literally there?? I don't.

Stupid? So, the ECF, the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, and Assyrian Church of the East, and even some Lutherans and Anglicans, all believe that the Eucharist is the REAL body and blood of our Lord Jesus.

As it says in the Bible, as Jesus said in the Bible.

I also noticed that you never quoted the rest of what I gave you in regards to scripture.

And, you say "Jesus wasn't speaking literally,"

Either believe what Jesus said, or don't believe what He said. That's everyone's choice.

But He meant exactly what He said.

right after you say this ^

Interesting.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Yes, we have been given as a pure gift eternal life with God in heaven, but we do not immediately go to heaven and so our eternal life in heaven is described as our inheritance which means we own this birthright or deed to a heavenly home:

Matt. 19:29 …will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life

Matt. 25:34 …take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

Acts 20: 32 give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

Col. 3:24 … you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward.

Heb. 6: 12 … We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.

The promises of an inheritance cannot be stolen, lost, paid for having, or even taken back by the Giver (God is not a Native American giver). But the Hebrew writer also tells us; like Esau it Can be given away of our own free will.

You're making quite a leap. Not to mention totally missing the whole point of John 10:28.

Which is: one receives eternal life WHEN they believe, as Jesus plainly said in John 5:24. And those He gives this gift WILL NEVER PERISH.

Such a promise clearly means there are NO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OR REQUIREMENTS TO BE MET in order to avoid perishing. None.

iow, once a person has received the gift of eternal life, they simply WILL NEVER PERISH.

I'm really puzzled by those who disagree with Jesus.

Heb. 12:16 See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son.

If this verse is about giving away one's eternal life, then what Jesus said was untrue. Is that your position?

Paul already described the Harvest for sowing good seed as eternal life, but in the end says we can give up this harvest by giving up.

If "giving up the harvest" means loss of salvation, then Paul's words directly contradict Jesus' words.

I don't think it wise to try to pit ANY writer of Scripture against another one.

If there were MORE conditions or requirements to be met, then Jesus wasn't honest in what He said in John 10:28.

Which would be a ridiculous charge. What He said is true.

Those who RECEIVE eternal life WILL NEVER PERISH. Jesus said so.

I believe what Jesus said.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Stupid? So, the ECF, the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, and Assyrian Church of the East, and even some Lutherans and Anglicans, all believe that the Eucharist is the REAL body and blood of our Lord Jesus.

Sorry that offense was taken. But Jesus was not speaking literally in John 6.

As it says in the Bible, as Jesus said in the Bible.

Jesus many times spoke in parables, that even His own disciples couldn't figure out, requiring Jesus to explain to them.

And He frequently used metaphors. Both "eating" and "drinking" in John 6 are metaphors for faith in Him.

If it were literal, it would be cannibalism.

 

[EmSw]

First, there were NEVER about salvation, since the NT is quite clear that no one keeps the Law completely. Second, obedience to God's commands will result in blessings during our life, and eternal rewards.

Well, well, well. So you say His commandments were never about salvation. Who has deceived you to believe this? Why are you repeating what you've been taught, when we have the following passages?

Matthew 19:17
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

FG2, do you want to enter life? If so, believe the truth Jesus taught, and keep the commandments.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

FG2, do you want to have the right to the tree of life and enter the gates into the city? If so, do His commandments.

Matthew 18:8
“If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire.

Matthew 18:9
And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.

FG2, has your hand, foot, or eyes ever caused you to sin? Have you read that Jesus said to cut and pluck these from you so you may enter life? Do you not read those who don't, are cast into hell fire?

1 John 2
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

FG2, how can you say you know Him, if you don't keep His commandments? Not keeping His commandments makes you a liar and the truth is not in you. How does one who is a liar have eternal life? Want to tell us where all liars go?

1 John 3:22
And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

FG2, you love talking about His gifts, but, how do you receive them if you don't keep His commandments? The way to receive what we ask from Him is to keep His commandments. How do you receive eternal life without asking and keeping His commandments?

1 John 3:24
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

FG2, how do you abide in Him, and He abides in you, if you don't keep His commandments? Does one who does not abide in Him have eternal life?

Now tell us how one has eternal life if he/she doesn't believe what Jesus said. Again I ask, who has told you the things you believe?

 

[EmSw]

It's very clear that eternal life is secure in Christ Jesus. It amazes me that those who profess to believe in Christ for salvation, somehow believe it is their "works" which actually KEEPS and MAINTAINS their salvation like the Judaizers. Galatians 3:2-3. This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? Salvation is all of grace and conditioned solely upon Christ Jesus and His merits alone. One who has no faith in this great truth of the gospel, will always believe that it's his works of obedience that gains and maintains his right standing with God

So, does a man who works, lose his salvation?

How does a man know Jesus if he doesn't keep His commandments?

1 John 2
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

How do you know that you know Him, MDC? If you say you know Him and do not keep His commandments, it makes you a liar and the truth is not in you.

Who has been teaching you these things? And why do you believe what man has been teaching you?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Well, well, well. So you say His commandments were never about salvation. Who has deceived you to believe this? Why are you repeating what you've been taught, when we have the following passages?

Matthew 19:17
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

FG2, do you want to enter life? If so, believe the truth Jesus taught, and keep the commandments.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

FG2, do you want to have the right to the tree of life and enter the gates into the city? If so, do His commandments.

Matthew 18:8
“If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire.

Matthew 18:9
And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.

FG2, has your hand, foot, or eyes ever caused you to sin? Have you read that Jesus said to cut and pluck these from you so you may enter life? Do you not read those who don't, are cast into hell fire?

1 John 2
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

FG2, how can you say you know Him, if you don't keep His commandments? Not keeping His commandments makes you a liar and the truth is not in you. How does one who is a liar have eternal life? Want to tell us where all liars go?

1 John 3:22
And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

FG2, you love talking about His gifts, but, how do you receive them if you don't keep His commandments? The way to receive what we ask from Him is to keep His commandments. How do you receive eternal life without asking and keeping His commandments?

1 John 3:24
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

FG2, how do you abide in Him, and He abides in you, if you don't keep His commandments? Does one who does not abide in Him have eternal life?

Now tell us how one has eternal life if he/she doesn't believe what Jesus said. Again I ask, who has told you the things you believe?

None of this addresses the point of the OP. Are you able to?

 

[EmSw]

None of this addresses the point of the OP. Are you able to?

Do you want to enter life? It's very simple. Just keep His commandments.