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Featured Ireneaus on End Times

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Handmaid for Jesus, Jul 26, 2017.

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  1. Biblewriter

    Biblewriter Senior Member Supporter

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    As this thread has gone off the rails, I am bowing out.
     
  2. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    No it hasn't gone off the rails at all. Iranaeus below mentions the temple and you haven't

    Nor did you include it in your sequence of events

     
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  3. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    Iranaeus knew there'd be a temple
    which I highlighted above in his work in red
     
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  4. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    Initially you started your thread welcoming comments of all
     
  5. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    Seven years tribulation

    The first part "restoring" (so the unbelieving Jew thinks) Jerusalem
    by the false notion that they must rebuild a temple and with it reinstating abominable animal sacrifices


    And with the beginning of the start of rebuilding during troublous times these "violent men of the (old) covenant" mentioned by Daniel will think nothing of stopping those who get in their way
     
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  6. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    Dup post
     
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  7. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

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    Yes to discuss Irenaeus and what he wrote about end times.
     
  8. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    He wrote about the temple
     
  9. Biblewriter

    Biblewriter Senior Member Supporter

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    As long as the discussion is about what Irenaeus said, I am still in.
     
  10. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    So

    He wrote about the temple

    Do you agree that this is also a future event

    The rebuilding of the earthly temple in Jerusalem?
    In order for, as iranaeus mentions, for the antichrist to sit in the temple
     
  11. Brian Mcnamee

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    Israel and Judah will be one again, Hosea 1 speaks of this day

    Then the children of Judah and the children of Israel
    Shall be gathered together,
    And appoint for themselves one head;
    And they shall come up out of the land,
    For great will be the day of Jezreel!

    Isaiah 11
    He will set up a banner for the nations,
    And will assemble the outcasts of Israel,
    And gather together the dispersed of Judah
    From the four corners of the earth.
    13 Also the envy of Ephraim shall depart,
    And the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off;
    Ephraim shall not envy Judah,
    And Judah shall not harass Ephraim.

    Jer 3
    7 “At that time Jerusalem shall be called The Throne of the LORD, and all the nations shall be gathered to it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem. No more shall they follow the dictates of their evil hearts.
    18 “In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given as an inheritance to your fathers.
    19 “But I said:
    ‘How can I put you among the children
    And give you a pleasant land,
    A beautiful heritage of the hosts of nations?’
    “And I said:
    ‘You shall call Me, “My Father,”
    And not turn away from Me.’


    Jer 23
    “Behold, the days are coming,” says the LORD,
    “That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness;
    A King shall reign and prosper,
    And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.
    6 In His days Judah will be saved,
    And Israel will dwell safely;
    Now this is His name by which He will be called:
    THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.[fn]
    7 “Therefore, behold, the days are coming,” says the LORD, “that they shall no longer say, ‘As the LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,’ 8 but, ‘As the LORD lives who brought up and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the north country and from all the countries where I had driven them.’ And they shall dwell in their own land.”

    jer 30
    1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 2 “Thus speaks the LORD God of Israel, saying: ‘Write in a book for yourself all the words that I have spoken to you. 3 For behold, the days are coming,’ says the LORD, ‘that I will bring back from captivity My people Israel and Judah,’ says the LORD. ‘And I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.’ ”
    4 Now these are the words that the LORD spoke concerning Israel and Judah.
    5 “For thus says the LORD:
    ‘We have heard a voice of trembling,
    Of fear, and not of peace.
    6 Ask now, and see,
    Whether a man is ever in labor with child?
    So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins
    Like a woman in labor,
    And all faces turned pale?
    7 Alas! For that day is great,
    And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble,
    But he shall be saved out of it.
    8 ‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
    Says the LORD of hosts,
    That I will break his yoke from your neck,
    And will burst your bonds;
    Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
    9 But they shall serve the LORD their God,
    And David their king,
    Whom I will raise up for them.

    Jesus is coming to sit on the throne of David, Davids throne is not a heavenly one and this promise is repeated many times in scripture.

    Ezekiel 34
    Therefore thus says the Lord GOD to them: “Behold, I Myself will judge between the fat and the lean sheep. 21 Because you have pushed with side and shoulder, butted all the weak ones with your horns, and scattered them abroad, 22 therefore I will save My flock, and they shall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep. 23 I will establish one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them—My servant David. He shall feed them and be their shepherd. 24 And I, the LORD, will be their God, and My servant David a prince among them; I, the LORD, have spoken.
    25 “I will make a covenant of peace with them, and cause wild beasts to cease from the land; and they will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods. 26 I will make them and the places all around My hill a blessing; and I will cause showers to come down in their season; there shall be showers of blessing. 27 Then the trees of the field shall yield their fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase. They shall be safe in their land; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke and delivered them from the hand of those who enslaved them. 28 And they shall no longer be a prey for the nations, nor shall beasts of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and no one shall make them afraid. 29 I will raise up for them a garden of renown, and they shall no longer be consumed with hunger in the land, nor bear the shame of the Gentiles anymore. 30 Thus they shall know that I, the LORD their God, am with them, and they, the house of Israel, are My people,” says the Lord GOD.’ ”
    31 “You are My flock, the flock of My pasture; you are men, and I am your God,” says the Lord GOD.
     
  12. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    Beautiful scriptures Brian
     
  13. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

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    Yes they are. Now back to Ireneaus. :)
     
  14. Brian Mcnamee

    Brian Mcnamee Well-Known Member

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    HI the debate has evolved to really a discussion on dispensational vs covenant theology as it usually does. The positions stated by Ireneaus were the launching points for the last few exchanges. I think he is worth studying as are a great many others like Isaac Newton who can ad something. I do not study scripture like case law and stand on something just because Augustine or someone else may have thought it. As we saw in Jeremiahs day the majority of the prophets were predicting one thing and only a few were speaking for the LORD. Since Daniels book was a sealed book and Revelation ties in deeply with it we now have the benefit of history to see things lining up for a time of tribulation. I thing the methods of study and the amount of knowledge available now would give us a better chance to figure out what is happening than taking a ancient historical position even if many of the points and ideas are the same.
     
  15. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

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    Yes, but this thread is for the discussion of the writings of Irenaeus. Another thread can be started for other discussions. :) Thank you fore your cooperation.
     
  16. keras

    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

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    So; you don't have a New Testament in your Bible?
    FYI, Jesus came to earth nearly 2000 years ago. He extended salvation to all who would receive it.
    Those born again Christian people, of every tribe, race, nation and language, ARE the Overcomers, [Israelites] of God, the spiritual, chosen holy ones of God.
    The fact that makes this truth interesting, is how after over 100 generations, everybody on earth has some of Abrahams genes. Therefore God's promises to the Patriarchs and to ethnic Judah and Israel, will be fulfilled. But only by those who love the Lord and keep His Commandments. All the rest of humankind are made for destruction. Romans 9:22-27

    As for Ireneaus, my advice is not to waste time on him. There is plenty in the Bible that people, myself included, should know about, before it all hits us. Be assured, WE are the generation that will see it all.
     
  17. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    Why?
    This thread is iranaeus writings on end times in a forum that discusses end times

    How can the discussion be controlled?

    People are apt to discuss iranaeus' writings and how they line up with the scriptures

    What were you hoping to see in this thread?

    I'm not trying to be difficult
    but what is the point of discussing iranaeus if we don't discuss how it relates to end time prophecy

    Im not sure what we are supposed to do here

    What is and what isn't allowed

    There are going to be questions and reminders and scriptures which will be pointed out to make sure that comments line up to the truth

    Which is more important to ensure

    Thst those who post their comments are lining up to the truth of GOD's WORD and are not overlooking anything
     
  18. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    We should be allowed to question each other

    I don't understand the outburst over the questions I asked

    If something doesn't line up, we have the right to point it out
     
  19. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    I am getting more and more confused by the responses and reactions

    I dont understand your response to this poster

    Have you read the exchange which prompted Brian's post?
     
  20. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    Keras,,

    Do you agree that a temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem?

    And "restoring" Jerusalem is not about bringing the people back into the land,

    It's about unbelieving Jews thinking they need to rebuild and reinstitute sacrifices in order (they believe) for Jerusalem, the holy city, to be (in their eyes) complete

    Prophecy clearly states that the antichrist will sit in the temple declaring himself GOD

    And so did iranaeus
     
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