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Featured Iranaeus 130-202AD, Antichrist A Man, A Literal Temple, Destroyed At Jesus Second Coming.

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Truth7t7, Feb 11, 2018.

  1. Truth7t7

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    Iranaeus Saw A Future Literal Human Man As Antichrist, He Saw A Literal Temple In Jerusalem Where He Will Sit, For A Literal 42 Months In Tribulation, And He Will Be Destroyed At The Lord's Second Advent And Final Judgment.

    Iranaeus Of Lyon 130-202AD, Against Herseies, Book 5, Chapter 30, PGH 4

    4. But he indicates the number of the name now, that when this man comes we may avoid him, being aware who he is: the name, however, is suppressed, because it is not worthy of being proclaimed by the Holy Spirit. For if it had been declared by Him, he (Antichrist) might perhaps continue for a long period. But now as "he was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the abyss, and goes into perdition," as one who has no existence; so neither has his name been declared, for the name of that which does not exist is not proclaimed. But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that "many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob."
     
  2. jgr

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    It's said that he also saw a pretrib rapture.
     
  3. Truth7t7

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    Post His Quote?

    One Thing I Do Know, He Saw Jesus Christ Returning In The Clouds Of Heaven, Destroying A Human Antichrist That Ruled For 42 Months In Jerusalem, Sitting In A Literal Temple.

    Yes Thats Right jgr, He Didn't See Your 66-70AD Preterist Fulfillment Of The Antichrist, The Abomination Of Desolation, Great Tribulation.

    He Was born Only 60 years after the Roman destruction of Jerusalem, Josephus was the #1 best seller, and he still didn't see what you claim happened in 66-70AD.
     
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  4. David Kent

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    Iranaeus said he thought the name of the antichrist may be Lateinos that is the Latin man, some of the other early writers followed him.
     
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    And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.” For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption.
    Against Heresies 5:29

    Six other church fathers were not "futurites" like Irenaeus.

    Had he lived to the time of the Reformation, his futurism would have disappeared along with the Reformers' historicist recognition of the papal antichrist.
     
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    The Last contest "The Great Tribulation" then the living church is caught up after this, 100% as I believe.

    No pre-trib rapture as you claimed.
     
  7. jgr

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    Futurites claim it, not I.
     
  8. Truth7t7

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    I know well what you believe, and its not the clear written scripture as shown in the "Second Advent" in Matthew 24:29-31

    You believe in error Daniels Antichrist has come and gone, no need to worry about this human man, he's dead and gone.
     
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    You know what historicists believe? Tell us.
     
  10. David Kent

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    Daniel's Antichrist ruled for 3½ years That is 1260 years on the year for a day scale.
     
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    If you want to know what the early church really taught, you can buy Elliott's History of apocalyptic interpretation on Amazon for about $20.00 it takes you up to about the French Revolution.
     
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    An extract from Elliott's History of apocalyptic interpretation of the first three noted.

    1. As regards the Pseudo-Sibylline oracles, - poems which were written and circulated under that title, through the pious fraud of certain Christians, about the middle of the 2nd century, - my readers will already have learnt from previous citations given from them in this Book, [3] that the destruction of Rome, the Apocalyptic Babylon, [4] was one prominent subject in them; and with ideas about it evidently borrowed from the Apocalypse. In Book viii, more especially, it is the burden of the song. And this will be found to be the idea of the writer, or writers, as to events connected with it: - that the destroyer Antichrist, himself of Latin extraction, [5] would be the first author of its ruin; this Antichrist equaling himself with God, and being (as is hinted [6] ) the Emperor Nero restored to life again, and now coming back from Asia in alliance with the Jews; but that the grand and final destruction would be by direct judgment from heaven. “Descending from on high thou shalt dwell underneath the earth; with naphtha and asphalt, and sulphur and much fire, thou shalt disappear, and become as burning ashes for ever. [7] And every one who looks on thee shall hear the deep sound of thy wailing from hell, and thy gnashing of teeth.” - Then, on Rome’s end, there would follow speedily, according to our Sibyl, the world’s end: [8] and then, on the opening of the first octad, [9] another and better world.

    2 In Justin Martyr the chief direct reference to the Apocalypse is on the millennium announced by it; which, as we have seen, [10] he interpreted literally: - how St. John prophesied that believers in Christ would reign 1000 years with Him in Jerusalem, Jerusalem having been restored, enlarged, and beautified, agreeably with the Old Testament prophecies of the latter day; after which would follow the general resurrection and judgment. Further, in regard to Antichrist, though referring for authority more directly to Daniel, [11] yet it is evident that he considered the Apocalyptic ten-horned Beast, or rather its ruling head, to be identical with Daniel’s little horn of the fourth wild Beast; [12] and each and either identical with St. Paul’s Man of Sin, and St. John’s Antichrist: also that he regarded this Antichrist as still future, though at the very doors; as destined to reign literally 3 1/2 years; and as to be destroyed by Christ’s glorious advent. [13]

    3. In Irenæus again these are the two chief Apocalyptic subjects commented on; and with just the same opinions respecting them as Justin Martyr’s. But his comments are fuller.

    With reference more especially to the great subject of the Apocalyptic Beast, Antichrist, he directed his readers, as we saw long since, [14] to look out for the division of the Roman empire into ten kingdoms, as that which was immediately to precede, and be followed by, Antichrist’s manifestation. We saw too his jealousy that the true number of Antichrist’s name, 666, as in the most genuine manuscripts, not 616, as in certain falsified copies, should be well understood: also how he thought that, as being in some way of Roman polity or connection, (even though by birth a Jew,) Antichrist’s characteristic title, in fulfillment of the Apocalyptic enigma, might very probably be Lateinos, the Latin Man, seeing that they who then held the world’s empire were Latins; a name numerally equivalent to 666. [15] - The second lamb-like Beast Irenæus calls the first Beast’s amour-bearer; and also “the False Prophet,” as in Apoc. xix. [16] Under a notion of the Antichrist being a false Christ of Jewish origin, he fancifully suggests that the omission of Dan from those tribes of Israel out of whom an election was sealed, in Apoc. vii., might be an intimation of that being Antichrist’s tribe. [17] His idea of Antichrist sitting in the rebuilt temple of Jerusalem, and there showing himself as God, “setting aside all idols,” in order to concentrate men’s worship on himself, belongs to St. Paul’s prophecy of Antichrist, not St. John’s; and his idea of Antichrist’s 31/2 years being the half of the last of Daniel’s 70 hebdomads, not to St. John, but Daniel. [18] Again that of “Antichrist’s fulfilling the part of the unjust judge in St. Luke, by avenging the Jews of their adversaries the Romans, and transferring the empire to Jerusalem,” is altogether extra-Apocalyptic; and I must add very fanciful. Yet on this he mainly grounds his as yet peculiar opinion that Antichrist would transfer the seat of empire to Jerusalem, and there sit in the temple of God as if he were the Christ and God. [19]

    There is yet another direct point of Apocalyptic explanation to be noted in Irenæus. We find in his 4th Book a passing notice of the white horse and rider of the first Apocalyptic Seal; and explanation of it as signifying Christ born to victory, and going forth conquering and to conquer. [20] This is quite a detached comment; without any reference to the contrasted symbols of the Seals following. - I may add too that he makes the Apocalyptic altar to be that on which Christians’ prayers and praises are offered in heaven, not that of the earthly Jerusalem. [21] And so again of the Apocalyptic temple.
     
  13. Truth7t7

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    I don't follow the year for a day teaching, the bible teaches 42 literal months

    Revelation 13:4-5
    4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
    5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
     
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    Beginning of papacy - 538 AD
    End of papacy - 1798 AD

    Duration 1260 years.
    Coincidence, or fulfillment?
     
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    No Relevance To Revelation 13:4-5 And 42 Literal Months That A "Human Man" Will Have Power In A Future Literal Jerusalem.

    Power Was Given Unto Him 1260 Years, Is Methuselah Back? "Big Smiles"

    Oh That's Symbolic Found In The Book Of Josephus On Page 666?

    Did The Angel Moroni Really Bury The Tablets In the Hill For Ole Joe Smith?

    Possibly A Vision Received By Ellen G. White?
     
  16. David Kent

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    The seventy weeks were a day for a year, so what is your problem?
     
  17. Truth7t7

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    Did Daniel Mourn And Fast For "Three Literal
    Weeks" Or "Twenty One Years", Same Hebrew Word Used In Daniel 9:24 & Daniel 10:2-3 "Shabuwa"

    Daniel 9:24 King James Version (KJV)
    24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    Daniel 10 King James Version (KJV)
    10 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, but the time appointed was long: and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision.
    2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
    3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.
     
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  18. David Kent

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    Don't be ridiculous, those you quote were not prophecies.
     
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    I am not sure what those dates mean bro. I take the papacy to be from the decree of Phocas when he gave the pope the title of Universal Bishop in 607, but it didn't take effect till his death in 610. The 1260 years ran out in 1870 when the papacy lost its papal states and King of Italy took them, and the Prussians attacked France who were the defenders of the papacy.
     
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    538 A.D. TO 1798 A.D.

    I am aware that there are differences on the beginning and end dates. These seem most accurate to me.
     
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