Iran Now has a Non Muslim Majority

[Pavel Mosko]

I just got done watching this David Wood video, for most us this will be good news. It's not really a surprise if you study social psychology. Being heavy handed with people and threatening them as your main method of influence is not a viable long term strategy. It doesn't take long for people to get sick of that and begin plotting against their persecutor, blatantly lieing to their face, and behind their back secretly doing what they want.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Sound like it is more ripe for God to open up shop there big time to me.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I had to look at the video because I wanted to read the labels on the chart. About 1/3 of the Iranians are various kinds of non-religious. Not that different from the US. It seems kind of inevitable.

 

[tommy123456]

For anyone interested, this is the actual survey mentioned: https://gamaan.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/GAMAAN-Iran-Religion-Survey-2020-English.pdf

From a group in the Netherlands that does studies like this.

The 99.5% Muslim rate in Iran that we have been so used to is the state-proposed rate, even as recently as 2018. It was almost certainly not 99.5% in 2018. The point: this has likely been changing much slower than many may realize. However, every generation can produce such varied beliefs to the prior.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I guess the problem is the definition of "Muslim" vs the identification with the religion of Islam.
From what I've heard anyone born of a Muslim father is a Muslim, not sure about the mother though. Those who identify as Muslims however may be a follower of Islam. So in effect there could be a lot of children that are "Muslim" by birth but are not a follower of Islam itself. A parallel of it could be like Catholic and other churches that baptize babies and consider them a Catholic or whatever church but when they grow old enough to choose a religious affiliation they may choose otherwise.

 

[tommy123456]

I guess the problem is the definition of "Muslim" vs the identification with the religion of Islam.
From what I've heard anyone born of a Muslim father is a Muslim, not sure about the mother though. Those who identify as Muslims however may be a follower of Islam. So in effect there could be a lot of children that are "Muslim" by birth but are not a follower of Islam itself. A parallel of it could be like Catholic and other churches that baptize babies and consider them a Catholic or whatever church but when they grow old enough to choose a religious affiliation they may choose otherwise.

Very well put and important to bring up in this discussion. I do think that the government does try to portray the country as more homozygous in its following of Islam than it actually is though.

 

[Hans Blaster]

homozygous

Does it involve cloning?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Very well put and important to bring up in this discussion. I do think that the government does try to portray the country as more homozygous in its following of Islam than it actually is though.

would that be homogeneous instead?

 

[tommy123456]

would that be homogeneous instead?

Yes.... Wow. Tired brain

 

[Sophrosyne]

Yes.... Wow. Tired brain

Been there, done that, have the T-Shirt and bumper sticker.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Been there, done that, have the T-Shirt and bumper sticker.

Yes, but do you have the lawn ornament?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Yes, but do you have the lawn ornament?

Sorry but that award is unGnome at the moment.

 

[Unqualified]

But we digress..... very interesting thread.

 

[Nithavela]

The 22 percent with "none" really puzzle me. It's not none like in atheist or agnostic, because those were options as well. The way the question is worded, maybe they're sitting square in the middle of 2 religious views and can't decide?

 

[natitude]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing!