International community must 'assume responsibility' for refugees, says Pope at Palm Sunday Mass

[mea kulpa]

I mean these guys have a history. They plundered much of europe and reached the doorstep of rome. Its prophecised that in the future (near future if other prophecies offer a timeline) that muslims will commit innumerable attrocites in the west.

Forget about those christian mtyers who died defending europe from the muslim hordes... just invite them in

 

[LivingWordUnity]

We can screen against extremists (and yes, some will get through)

That seems like a contradiction unless you are saying that we can try to screen them but that the effort will fail.

Or we can let them suffer and rot because we're scared.

Um, do you realize you admitted that some terrorists will get through if we let in the refugees?

 

[MikeK]

That seems like a contradiction unless you are saying that we can try to screen them but that the effort will fail.Um, do you realize you admitted that some terrorists will get through if we let in the refugees?

Yes.

Seatbelts save lives in car accidents. We should wear seatbelts. The fact that seatbelts will not save all lives in car accidents is not a reason not to wear seatbelts, nor is it reasonable cause to avoid all travel by automobile.

If we don't inprison all of our children and keep them from eachother, some will become murderers. That isn't reason to imprison all of our children.

Absolute safety requires absolute denial of freedom.

 

[mea kulpa]

Alcohol impairs the senses and is dangerous if you drive under the influence but not all accidents are due to alcohol nor does every incident of drink driving result in an accident. Never the less we should take a reasoned approach to our responsibilites.

Indeed if we are out and we see a drunk person trying to get in to his car we should stop talk him out of it call him a taxi do all we can to prevent him driving his car home...but the most irrisponsible thing to do would be to let him get in our car and drive us both home.

Its about responsibility yes these people need help but their are means to which to help them. We could encourage other muslim nations to take them in and send aid to those nations.

 

[MikeK]

Muslims are not remarkably dangerous and to tell them "you can't come here, go by your own kind" is wrong. We have the means and we have the room, to an extent that few other countries do.

Sometimes I wonder if anyone else actually is friends with any actual Muslims. They really aren't that scary. They're kind of boring.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

No, and that's not what the Pope is calling for. We should accept refugees in proportion to our ability to do so and nobody has suggested that they not be asked any questions. The game you're electing to play, inserting "all" and "no questions asked" to justify your reluctance to celebrate His Holiness' message of love and compassion does not come from the Lord.

Year Green Cards Issued
1989 1,090,172
1990 1,535,872
1991 1,826,595
1992 973,445
1993 903,916
1994 803,993
1995 720,177
1996 915,560
1997 797,847
1998 653,206
1999 644,787
2000 841,002
2001 1,058,902
2002 1,059,536
2003 703,542
2004 957,883
2005 1,122,373
2006 1,266,129
2007 1,052,415
2008 1,107,126
Average per year 1,001,71


The US allows over a million a year. We do more than our share.

 

[mea kulpa]

Muslims are not remarkably dangerous and to tell them "you can't come here, go by your own kind" is wrong. We have the means and we have the room, to an extent that few other countries do.

Sometimes I wonder if anyone else actually is friends with any actual Muslims. They really aren't that scary. They're kind of boring.

My boss and the management of my company are muslims. I get on well with them. Never the less they openly inform me they would seek to impose sharia law on us if they could... increasing the numbers only increase the power to do so

 

[ml5363]

[QUOTEis all these means and room? We have many hungry people here and many homeless...why not start there first


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"MikeK, post: 69410900, member: 25308"]Muslims are not remarkably dangerous and to tell them "you can't come here, go by your own kind" is wrong. We have the means and we have the room, to an extent that few other countries do.

Sometimes I wonder if anyone else actually is friends with any actual Muslims. They really aren't that scary. They're kind of boring.[/QUOTE]
Where I

 

[MikeK]

Year Green Cards Issued
1989 1,090,172
1990 1,535,872
1991 1,826,595
1992 973,445
1993 903,916
1994 803,993
1995 720,177
1996 915,560
1997 797,847
1998 653,206
1999 644,787
2000 841,002
2001 1,058,902
2002 1,059,536
2003 703,542
2004 957,883
2005 1,122,373
2006 1,266,129
2007 1,052,415
2008 1,107,126
Average per year 1,001,71


The US allows over a million a year. We do more than our share.

Green cards issued per year is not a measure of charity to refugees. In recent years we have capped refugee numbers at around 60,000 per year. His Holiness and our Bishops are calling on us to do more. We have incredible wealth. We have the room. We have food supplies like very few other places in the world.

 

[Armoured]

The refugee crisis is a result of the rise of ISIS which was the consequence of the U.S. and other western countries attempting to overthrow Syria's President Assad by giving arms and other support to the so-called "rebels" (which are allied with ISIS). President Assad had ISIS on the run, but the U.S. interfered.

No, it's not. Most of the refugees currently seeking asylum are fleeing Assad, not ISIS. I understand that ISIS is the scary Muslim baddy du jour, but sometimes you really need to look a little deeper than the hysterical rabble rousing headlines.

 

[Armoured]

Just stop just clear your mind.

Lets look at what the pope is advocating here

The west is in a crisis of faith christianity nad catholicism is being attacked on all sides the faith is in massive decline... we are essentially a post christian society and now the pope is requesting we flood the west with muslims... it beggers belief

"Flood".

 

[mea kulpa]

Bomb explosions in brussles belgium now

 

[mea kulpa]

The airport.. suicide bomber

 

[Armoured]

The airport.. suicide bomber

Which is relevant here because...?

 

[Davidnic]

I mean these guys have a history. They plundered much of europe and reached the doorstep of rome. Its prophecised that in the future (near future if other prophecies offer a timeline) that muslims will commit innumerable attrocites in the west.

Forget about those christian mtyers who died defending europe from the muslim hordes... just invite them in

These particular refugees did none of that. They are fleeing from those who seek to ideologically inherit those actions.

 

[Armoured]

I mean these guys have a history. They plundered much of europe and reached the doorstep of rome. Its prophecised that in the future (near future if other prophecies offer a timeline) that muslims will commit innumerable attrocites in the west.

Forget about those christian mtyers who died defending europe from the muslim hordes... just invite them in

Recently? By your logic, should Germans be excluded from pretty much everywhere? How about Americans?

 

[JoeP222w]

You could have posted "I don't know what socialism is.", it would have conveyed the same message in fewer words.

Thanks for the ad hominem.

Socialism is the thought that one person works hard so someone else doesn't have to. Or that everything should be a free handout from the government, denying the truth that someone, somewhere has work for that handout to go to someone else or get robbed from the government through higher taxes.

The Bible has a principle that we should return to: You don't work, you don't eat. Of course there are exceptions of people who are honestly unemployable but that is a very tiny percentage (<1-2%), not the 35% that is reported to be on welfare now.

 

[mea kulpa]

Socialism reduces the truth to the collective well being of the whole

Democracy reduces the truth to the opinion of the majority

Neither are correct

 

[Armoured]

Thanks for the ad hominem.

Socialism is the thought that one person works hard so someone else doesn't have to. Or that everything should be a free handout from the government, denying the truth that someone, somewhere has work for that handout to go to someone else or get robbed from the government through higher taxes.

The Bible has a principle that we should return to: You don't work, you don't eat. Of course there are exceptions of people who are honestly unemployable but that is a very tiny percentage (<1-2%), not the 35% that is reported to be on welfare now.

It's not an ad hominem, you genuinely appear to not know what socialism is.

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

The refugee situation in Europe looks like a huge humanitarian crisis. My instinct says of course we should help and be Good Samaritans. Ideally, they could go back to Syria one day. Is that a remote possibility?