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International community must 'assume responsibility' for refugees, says Pope at Palm Sunday Mass

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Michie, Mar 21, 2016.

  1. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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  2. LivingWordUnity

    LivingWordUnity Unchanging Deposit of Faith, Traditional Catholic

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    The refugee crisis is a result of the rise of ISIS which was the consequence of the U.S. and other western countries attempting to overthrow Syria's President Assad by giving arms and other support to the so-called "rebels" (which are allied with ISIS). President Assad had ISIS on the run, but the U.S. interfered.
     
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  3. MikeK

    MikeK Traditionalist Catholic

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    Your only comment on the Pope's appeal is a overly-simplified history lesson. Seriously man, come on. If the USA were responsible as you suggest for this refugee crisis, that means we have an even bigger reason to heed the advice of His Holiness and welcome refugees with open arms.
     
  4. LivingWordUnity

    LivingWordUnity Unchanging Deposit of Faith, Traditional Catholic

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    Do you believe that all of the refugees should be let in to the U.S. and that all should be let in with no questions asked?
     
  5. MikeK

    MikeK Traditionalist Catholic

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    No, and that's not what the Pope is calling for. We should accept refugees in proportion to our ability to do so and nobody has suggested that they not be asked any questions. The game you're electing to play, inserting "all" and "no questions asked" to justify your reluctance to celebrate His Holiness' message of love and compassion does not come from the Lord.
     
  6. LivingWordUnity

    LivingWordUnity Unchanging Deposit of Faith, Traditional Catholic

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    When did I ever say that I'm against letting in refugees? All I was doing was to get you to clarify your position.
     
  7. JoeP222w

    JoeP222w Well-Known Member

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    The Pope does not rule the world, nor are countries obligated to obey the Pope's socialism.
     
  8. MikeK

    MikeK Traditionalist Catholic

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    You're waffling. Your thoughts on politically challenging positions advocated for by agents of the Church don't need to be directly articulated by you, your silence on them is deafening. Of course, I'll always explain my position upon request and answer direct questions directly, even if they amount to little more than ham-fisted traps.
     
  9. MikeK

    MikeK Traditionalist Catholic

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    You could have posted "I don't know what socialism is.", it would have conveyed the same message in fewer words.
     
  10. LivingWordUnity

    LivingWordUnity Unchanging Deposit of Faith, Traditional Catholic

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    Actually, I already explained what my position is on it. I think it's a conundrum for Christians since on the one hand we are supposed to help refugees, but on the other hand some of them might be terrorists. There is no easy solution. So I've been mostly asking questions about it while keeping an eye on the crisis in the news instead of pontificating my opinion. Perhaps it seems like "waffling" to you because my position on the refugee crisis is not to one extreme or the other.
     
  11. MikeK

    MikeK Traditionalist Catholic

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    The Pope's position is not to any extreme.
     
  12. LivingWordUnity

    LivingWordUnity Unchanging Deposit of Faith, Traditional Catholic

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    Then what problem do you have with my position?
     
  13. mea kulpa

    mea kulpa Benedictine Traditional Catholic

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    Just stop just clear your mind.

    Lets look at what the pope is advocating here

    The west is in a crisis of faith christianity nad catholicism is being attacked on all sides the faith is in massive decline... we are essentially a post christian society and now the pope is requesting we flood the west with muslims... it beggers belief
     
  14. MikeK

    MikeK Traditionalist Catholic

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    Your positions is one of abject refusal to vocally criticize those pundits and politicians who reject the moral truths shared by our Pope. Your silence on the matter lends tacit support to those errant positions held by those you elect to ally yourself with.
     
  15. MikeK

    MikeK Traditionalist Catholic

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    Love is the only thing that will grow the faith. Keeping needy people away because of their religion will not win souls for Christ. We can choose to advocate for live of neighbor, even at personal cost to us, or we can pretend not to hear the knocking.
     
  16. mea kulpa

    mea kulpa Benedictine Traditional Catholic

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    Ao how many muslim refugees have you taken in to your home?
     
  17. LivingWordUnity

    LivingWordUnity Unchanging Deposit of Faith, Traditional Catholic

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    I haven't been silent. I explained my position before. And I just explained it again.
     
  18. MikeK

    MikeK Traditionalist Catholic

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    None yet, my 1200sf home is rather full of the children the Lord has blessed us with at this time. I do hope to adopt needy children one day once our children get older, and refugee children are certainly a possibility. Is it your position that people shouldn't call for us to harbor refugees unless we harbor them in our own homes?
     
  19. mea kulpa

    mea kulpa Benedictine Traditional Catholic

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    I understand the mercy and love side of it. But the bigger picture disturbs me. We have civil order protecting people of our own nation...our culture. How many lives will be lost... how many 3 year old's heads have to be chopped off?
     
  20. MikeK

    MikeK Traditionalist Catholic

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    Remarkably few, given how few are chopped off in general Muslim society. We can screen against extremists (and yes, some will get through) and trust that the life we are providing, the love we are showing, will win them over.

    Or we can let them suffer and rot because we're scared.
     
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