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Philippians 2 tells us that Yeshua was as we are when he walked this earth. He did miraculous things to which the Christian Testament refers, and which 'the Church' accepts and endorses, and he lived a perfect life, unsullied by sin.

His disciples, and many others that followed him and did some miraculous thing, endorsed by Papal investigation, were made Saints by 'the Church'.

Why was Yeshua the man never made a Saint by 'the Church'?

Why was Moses never made a Saint - he and A'aron did some pretty miraculous things, too, even though they didn't live such perfect lives?
 

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Philippians 2 tells us that Yeshua was as we are when he walked this earth. He did miraculous things to which the Christian Testament refers, and which 'the Church' accepts and endorses, and he lived a perfect life, unsullied by sin.

His disciples, and many others that followed him and did some miraculous thing, endorsed by Papal investigation, were made Saints by 'the Church'.

Why was Yeshua the man never made a Saint by 'the Church'?

Why was Moses never made a Saint - he and A'aron did some pretty miraculous things, too, even though they didn't live such perfect lives?
Moses is commemorated by the Eastern Orthodox on September 4...not sure if that means he is recognized as a Saint by them, but he certainly is honored as “Holy Prophet and God-Seer”.
 
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Why was Moses never made a Saint - he and A'aron did some pretty miraculous things, too, even though they didn't live such perfect lives?

They are Saints in the Church.
sunday-of-forefathers.jpg



In the left bottom corner is Adam, the original forefather of Jesus’ humanity, and all of us. He gestures to the figure in the bottom center, the Patriarch Abraham, holding a child symbolizing the promise made to him – that even as an old man his progeny would be numbered as the “stars in the sky” and “the grains of sand on the seashore”. To confirm the fulfilment of this prophecy, the child himself gestures to his left, where Abraham’s grandson Jacob stands holding a cloth containing his twelve sons: the Twelve Tribes of Israel. Flanking Abraham is Enoch and Isaac, hands raised in a sign of humility.

Along the top, from left to right, stands the prophet Isaiah, the Psalmist King David, the Prophet Daniel amid the Three Holy Youths, Aaron the Levite, and Joshua. Being well-known for their prayerful attitude and faithfulness to the Torah, the Three Holy Youths, Daniel, and Aaron all wear kippahs topped with phylacteries. Below Aaron is his brother Moses, also wearing kippah and phylactery.

On the left, wearing a crown of authority, is the last of the Hebrew judges, Samuel. Besides his name being inscribed in his halo, Samuel is easily recognized by the golden horn he holds, used to anoint the first two kings of the nation of Israel: Saul and David.

Below Samuel is Jeremiah, holding a scroll of his own prophecy, as is the Prophet Zechariah on the far right or Jeremiah. Zechariah is also holding the seven-branched Menorah, a common liturgical ornament of the Temple, which this prophet helped to rebuild.

To the right of Zechariah is Righteous Noah, considered a prefiguration of Christ, and holding the Ark of Salvation, a prefiguration of the Mother of God, who held within her our Salvation. To the left of Jeremiah is a prefiguration of John the Baptist: the Prophet Elijah (or Elias in Greek). Like the John who came after him, Elijah is recognizable by the coat of animal hair which he wears.

Flanked by a prefiguration of John the Baptist and the Theotokos on either side, the figure in the center can only be an Old Testament prefiguration of Jesus Christ. That figure is the “Royal Priest”, the King of Salem, the person who came distributing bread and wine, and the person to whom Abraham, the Patriarch of the Hebrews gave tithes: Melchizedek
 
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They are Saints in the Church.
sunday-of-forefathers.jpg



In the left bottom corner is Adam, the original forefather of Jesus’ humanity, and all of us. He gestures to the figure in the bottom center, the Patriarch Abraham, holding a child symbolizing the promise made to him – that even as an old man his progeny would be numbered as the “stars in the sky” and “the grains of sand on the seashore”. To confirm the fulfilment of this prophecy, the child himself gestures to his left, where Abraham’s grandson Jacob stands holding a cloth containing his twelve sons: the Twelve Tribes of Israel. Flanking Abraham is Enoch and Isaac, hands raised in a sign of humility.

Along the top, from left to right, stands the prophet Isaiah, the Psalmist King David, the Prophet Daniel amid the Three Holy Youths, Aaron the Levite, and Joshua. Being well-known for their prayerful attitude and faithfulness to the Torah, the Three Holy Youths, Daniel, and Aaron all wear kippahs topped with phylacteries. Below Aaron is his brother Moses, also wearing kippah and phylactery.

On the left, wearing a crown of authority, is the last of the Hebrew judges, Samuel. Besides his name being inscribed in his halo, Samuel is easily recognized by the golden horn he holds, used to anoint the first two kings of the nation of Israel: Saul and David.

Below Samuel is Jeremiah, holding a scroll of his own prophecy, as is the Prophet Zechariah on the far right or Jeremiah. Zechariah is also holding the seven-branched Menorah, a common liturgical ornament of the Temple, which this prophet helped to rebuild.

To the right of Zechariah is Righteous Noah, considered a prefiguration of Christ, and holding the Ark of Salvation, a prefiguration of the Mother of God, who held within her our Salvation. To the left of Jeremiah is a prefiguration of John the Baptist: the Prophet Elijah (or Elias in Greek). Like the John who came after him, Elijah is recognizable by the coat of animal hair which he wears.

Flanked by a prefiguration of John the Baptist and the Theotokos on either side, the figure in the center can only be an Old Testament prefiguration of Jesus Christ. That figure is the “Royal Priest”, the King of Salem, the person who came distributing bread and wine, and the person to whom Abraham, the Patriarch of the Hebrews gave tithes: Melchizedek

Presumably only in the Orthodox Church?
 
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Philippians 2 tells us that Yeshua was as we are when he walked this earth. He did miraculous things to which the Christian Testament refers, and which 'the Church' accepts and endorses, and he lived a perfect life, unsullied by sin.

His disciples, and many others that followed him and did some miraculous thing, endorsed by Papal investigation, were made Saints by 'the Church'.

Why was Yeshua the man never made a Saint by 'the Church'?

Why was Moses never made a Saint - he and A'aron did some pretty miraculous things, too, even though they didn't live such perfect lives?
Because, being that Yeshua was God himself, he had an unfair advantage. :)

Moshe and the other prophets are all considered saints, although not often referred to. They are depicted in pictures of the saints up in heaven though.
 
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Philippians 2 tells us that Yeshua was as we are when he walked this earth. He did miraculous things to which the Christian Testament refers, and which 'the Church' accepts and endorses, and he lived a perfect life, unsullied by sin.

His disciples, and many others that followed him and did some miraculous thing, endorsed by Papal investigation, were made Saints by 'the Church'.

Why was Yeshua the man never made a Saint by 'the Church'?

Why was Moses never made a Saint - he and A'aron did some pretty miraculous things, too, even though they didn't live such perfect lives?
It was Yahwah who did the works for the men of God, even Christ. As for the Catholics, well...
 
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Just a note >Also we have Hebrews 4:15.

Just another note > Also we have Hebrews 5:8-9

(CLV) Hb 5:8
even He also, being a Son, (YahShua) learned obedience from that which He suffered.

(CLV) Hb 5:9
And being perfected, He became the cause of eonian salvation to all who are obeying Him, (as he learned to be obedient to Yahweh)
 
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Because, being that Yeshua was God himself, he had an unfair advantage. :)

(CLV) Ps 82:6
I Myself have said: you are elohim, And sons of the Supreme are all of you.

If we truly recognized ourselves for who we are; we wouldn't behave the way that we do.
 
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(CLV) Ps 82:6
I Myself have said: you are elohim, And sons of the Supreme are all of you.

If we truly recognized ourselves for who we are; we wouldn't behave the way that we do.
It's not saying that we are God.
 
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What is it saying?

(CLV) Ps 82:6
I Myself have said: you are elohim, And sons of the Supreme are all of you.
Some think Psalm 82 is about humans - some think it's about the divine sons of the Most High in the heavens being sentenced to death for their wickedness

The speaker is telling them that they are Elohim/gods, but they will die like men.
I'm of the belief that Psalm 82 is a glimpse into an event that happened in the heavens, that Asaph(the writer of Psalm 82) saw and recorded.
 
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The speaker is telling them that they are Elohim/gods, but they will die like men.
I'm of the belief that Psalm 82 is a glimpse into an event that happened in the heavens, that Asaph(the writer of Psalm 82) saw and recorded.

How do you reconcile that belief, with Yahshua citing this verse to reprove fellow Jews for their false allegations of blasphemy, in the not so distant past?

(CLV) Jn 10:34
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, that `I say you are gods'?

Shabbat shalom.
 
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How do you reconcile that belief, with Yahshua citing this verse to reprove fellow Jews for their false allegations of blasphemy, in the not so distant past?

(CLV) Jn 10:34
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, that `I say you are gods'?

Shabbat shalom.
Hes using it to show that there are others called Elohim/God in the Tanach, therefore shutting down their claim he is blaspheming.

the ones being told they are Elohim, are not humans, hence the phrase "you will die like men".
 
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Hes using it to show that there are others called Elohim/God in the Tanach, therefore shutting down their claim he is blaspheming.

the ones being told they are Elohim, are not humans, hence the phrase "you will die like men".
John 10:36 New International Version (NIV)
36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
 
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It's not saying that we are God.
John 10:36 New International Version (NIV)
36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
 
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Hes using it to show that there are others called Elohim/God in the Tanach, therefore shutting down their claim he is blaspheming.

the ones being told they are Elohim, are not humans, hence the phrase "you will die like men".

Nonsense.

In the previous verse, the accusation was that Yahshua was a man, making himself God. They were about to stone him for blasphemy. He didn't deny that he was a man; and based on your interpretation, he would have incriminated himself further.

You seem to support the allegations of his accusers, of blasphemy, and capital transgression against Yahweh.

If that is not the case; then you seem to be saying that Yahshua used deception to escape death.

I seriously doubt that Yahshua would do that; as he did die like a man, out of his loving obedience to Yahweh and Yahweh's law.
 
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