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Interesting evidence of an ancient Middle East Meteor Cataclysm...Jericho? Sodom?

Discussion in 'Physical & Life Sciences' started by RDKirk, Sep 20, 2021.

  1. Halbhh

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    In order for the common bible to be legitimate at all, then the repeated messages throughout it in most of the books about the need for faith, which is to believe without seeing proof or to believe before proof....

    Require that no clear evidence of God that would just prove God exists be available.

    If there were any clear outright proof of some key thing that just just plainly proves God exists, then much in the bible (or certainly the New Testament) would be invalid.

    Make sense?

    Here's a helpful verse to illustrate what faith is:

    "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see."
    Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see.

    Actually, this Hebrew chapter 11 (which you can read in about 2 minutes) is very helpful to help show that faith is one of the key overall themes of the entire Old Testament:
    Hebrews 11 NIV
    (and it has a message about seeking God...)

    The entire Old Testament is about a few things, and faith is one of the 2 most prominent things, the other being the Law (the effort to establish the Rule of Law).

    So....therefore, a way to make faith possible by hiding God's hand would be for many miraculous things seem simply naturally possible -- so that a skeptic that wishes to reject God could think it was only a natural event, happening by chance.




     
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  2. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    This is going to depend a lot on the particular approach to the Bible the Christian has.

    I don't subscribe to inerrantism, and tend to view much of the Old Testament as Israel's wrestling with God, the revelation of God to Israel is very real; but the ways in which the ancients wrote about their historical relationship between themselves and God is written from their perspective, not necessarily from God's perspective.

    Being 100% literally true in all details is a lot less important than the larger picture which Christians, by faith, understand as ultimately pointing toward Jesus. The purpose of the Bible in Christianity isn't to be a book of inerrant history and science, but to be the Christ-bearing text from which we can hear about God's work of saving, healing, and rescuing the world through Jesus Christ.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  3. tas8831

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    It would also mean that the bible story is a fabrication.
     
  4. tas8831

    tas8831 Well-Known Member

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    Back to religious stuff, I see.
     
  5. tas8831

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    Walls are not bridges.
     
  6. tas8831

    tas8831 Well-Known Member

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    So God is a mass murderer?
     
  7. tas8831

    tas8831 Well-Known Member

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    Sheared? I had never heard that. Citation?
     
  8. tas8831

    tas8831 Well-Known Member

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    It isn't really corroboration, though.
     
  9. RDKirk

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    Or that men who had authentic experiences with God wrote them as their level of understanding and knowledge allowed.
     
  10. 1rreducibly Complex

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    Walls follow the same mechanics and principles as bridges.

    Which makes them vulnerable to many of the same things.
     
  11. RDKirk

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    I posted the article. I did read a couple of other articles based on the same information. One of them showed pictures of the excavation which did show the difference between sheered walls (literally looking like a knife had cut horizontally through them, and walls blown over.
     
  12. FrumiousBandersnatch

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    Are you suggesting that an army marching in step outside the walls might have brought them down? Seriously?
     
  13. 1rreducibly Complex

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    Have you heard of Nikola Tesla saying he could destroy a building with vibrations and resonance.

    Same deal.

    I think they marched around Jericho for 6 consecutive days. Which could mean they spent 6 days marching at different paces, in step to find the proper resonance frequency to bring the Walls of Jericho crashing down.

    There's a lot of science in the bible, most will never know about.
     
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  14. FrumiousBandersnatch

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    Tesla said a lot of things that he never demonstrated. It would, in principle, be possible to destroy buildings with high-intensity sound waves or ground vibration, but neither the necessary frequency or intensity could be achieved by marchers.

    Bridges and walls are not alike in their susceptibility to resonance. Walls don't have free spans to resonate and any resonances are damped by their continuous contact with the ground. To get a bridge resonating by footfall requires direct impact with the structure. The effect of marching around near a wall will be damped out by the ground itself which doesn't resonate. Invoking a miracle would be less risible.
     
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  15. 1rreducibly Complex

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    Architecture 2,000+ years ago lacked modern engineering and safety standards. It is possible the walls were built rickety enough to be vulnerable to a resonance based attack. Or perhaps the walls were poorly maintained.

    A diamond is the hardest material on earth. Even it can be fractured and broken by a gentle tap from a hammer if contacts the right point. Its not about force or resistance. Resonance and the right frequency is like kryptonite to superman. A lot of force or contact aren't necessary if conditions are right.
     
  16. Estrid

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    Interesting, and makes sense.
    A couple of additional thoughts
    I am certainly a skeptic, though it
    would not be so that I " wish to reject"
    and look for reasons to!
    (I hope I am more intellectually honest
    than that!)

    Flipping your thought the other way, where does
    faith come in when a perso rejects clear and unimoeachable
    evidence that their chosen reading of the Bible is
    not correct?
     
  17. Estrid

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    I suspect no engineer would say that the right conditions for
    that are possible
     
  18. Estrid

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    Less than 100% true is obvious.
    "Thirty cubits", say, is approximate.

    What persent of inaccurate / untrue can it be
    and retain validity?
     
  19. 1rreducibly Complex

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    40 mile an hour winds did that to a concrete bridge.

    It doesn't take much force to destroy structures, if conditions are right.
     
  20. RDKirk

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    Well, the OP suggests that the high intensity shock waves (that is, sound and ground vibration) from a meteor strike did the trick.
     
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