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Interesting Article about reconciliation and slavery
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Yes, slavery was as endemic to the African and Native American nations as it still is in Arabic countries today. It is part of the structure of a sinful human society and it was European countries like Britain that introduced the theme of liberation for mainly Christian reasons. They should be paying us not the other way around.
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I'd disagree that they should pay, but just looking at the West Africa Squadron, which grew to be about 1/6 of the Royal Navy, at the time the naval hyperpower, despite the fact that the casualty rate was five times higher (mostly due to disease) than the Home or Mediterranean Fleets, that's going to be fairly expensive.
Not to mention the fairly substantial bribes the UK paid to allied countries (Spain and Portugal) to stop the trade, and their technique of turning up at African capitals with fully fledged warships and suggesting to monarchs who were opposed to ending the slave trade that perhaps their successors would be.
One naval historian on youtube did a piece on them here:
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This shows that the rationale for the abolition of slavery was already there in the 12th century when slavery was outlawed in English law. Slavery would not have been abolished in African nations and indeed in much of the rest of the world had it not been for the actions of the British Empire in the West African Squadron and elsewhere, there was no domestic impulse to control the trade. Britain controlled the slave trade for a time but the impulses for its abolition really came from nowhere else but Britain.
When it comes to legal arguments about its abolition and arguments about reparations the fact that there was little to no resistance or legal basis for abolition in those countries demanding reparations is the key legal argument. They are beneficiaries of British law and British imperial might and cannot therefore sue the British relating to an institution they approved of and themselves profited from.
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Very true. I recognize that it's a point you are making about who is responsible for slavery in the past, not a proposal, and about who was responsible for the campaign to eliminate it. However, if reparations were to be raised as an issue, the way it's usually argued is, logically speaking, completely backwards.
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God used slavery to His advantage in building up His Hebrew people in Egypt until such a time as they could leave and become a nation on their own. The only reparation was the freedom to become who they became thus reaping what they sowed in the process. Does not the same still apply in all cases where slavery has served it's purpose?
One would think those once oppressed would build a community for itself free of oppression rather than living under the thumbs of a political oppressor who uses them as slaves have always been used, to further their own goals, in this case political. It seems at this point no one has yet been set free.
One would think those once oppressed would build a community for itself free of oppression rather than living under the thumbs of a political oppressor who uses them as slaves have always been used, to further their own goals, in this case political. It seems at this point no one has yet been set free.
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