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In Virginia, and elsewhere, gun supporters prepare to defy new laws

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by 98cwitr, Dec 3, 2019 at 3:11 PM.

  1. 98cwitr

    98cwitr Lord forgive me Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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  2. JackRT

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    So, if I read that article correctly, they don't want background checks? So to make a point they are willing to risk guns getting into the hands of criminals, the mentally unstable, children, etc.?
     
  3. 98cwitr

    98cwitr Lord forgive me Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    They don't want *universal background checks; which they fear would infringe upon private sales or inheritance transfers. I understand that, as I wish to pass firearms down to my children and grandchildren as long as they demonstrate that they are responsible and are not felons.
     
  4. ThatRobGuy

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    So like...background checks?
     
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    ThatRobGuy Programmer Extraordinaire Supporter

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    There's a particular irony I see with regards to the, what I'll refer to as, "Hardcore Pro-gun movement" (for lack of a better term) - as there are degrees of gun objection and acceptance across the spectrum and it's not just a binary thing... (I own over a dozen firearms ranging from basic handguns all the way up to decked out AR's and tactical shotguns, but I'm in favor of universal background check and mandatory proficiency testing and mental health screening. -- the two extremes of the spectrum would call me either a "gun nut", or "anti-gun" depending on which side you're talking to lol.)

    They present a sizable portion of their arguments and positions with the preface "As law abiding citizens..." or phrase their opposition to certain measures within the context of "...the impact it will have on law abiding citizens"

    ...yet, anytime gun control laws of any kind are proposed, almost the first thing they do is publicly declare their intent to "not abide by the law if it should pass".

    I think they really ought to change their phrasing to "As citizens who agree to abide by the particular laws we don't object to..."
     
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    It's almost as-if the gun lobby has a vested interest in keeping everyone armed, including criminals and the mentally ill.

    For the record, I'm also the owner of several guns but support universal background checks, proficiency testing, licensing etc
     
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    Because they believe it's unconstitutional, and therefore not a "real" law.

    What they probably hope for is that they'll get charged with a crime, they'll take it to the Supreme Court, and the conservative majority there will throw the law out. But they may be overly optimistic about that.
     
  8. ThatRobGuy

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    If they believe any and all gun laws are unconstitutional, then I'd recommend they re-read the DC v. Heller ruling. They cite it quite often for the part about the ruling declaring "Gun ownership is an individual right, not a collective one", but they seemingly stopped reading it before it got to the part 2 stating:

    Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.
     
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