In the light

[Scott Husted]

.. of the whole Bible ...

Where would Adam and the woman have entered if they had kept the commandment of God? And how does this word relate to us as a truth in the midst?

A word is as a kingdom, as a seed, as a tree, as a woman, as a son, as a city, as a mountain, as a pure river that is as clear as crystal ...

 

[Tolworth John]

Where would Adam and the woman have entered if they had kept the commandment of God

Entered what?

If Adam had not sinned, he would not have been expelled from the garden of Eden, he would not have suffered the spiritual and physical death sin brought about.
He would in all likelihood still be living in Eden, the world would not have been torn apart by a global flood and we would be living in a greatly extended garden of Eden.

Adam was to tend the garden and to fill the world.
As his family out grew the garden he or they would extend it sothe whole world became one garden.

 

[Scott Husted]

Entered what?

If Adam had not sinned, he would not have been expelled from the garden of Eden, he would not have suffered the spiritual and physical death sin brought about.
He would in all likelihood still be living in Eden, the world would not have been torn apart by a global flood and we would be living in a greatly extended garden of Eden.

Adam was to tend the garden and to fill the world.
As his family out grew the garden he or they would extend it sothe whole world became one garden.

So the idea is there should have been a whole lot of naked people and all of them obeying the first commandment?

 

[Tolworth John]

So the idea is there should have been a whole lot of naked people and all of them obeying the first commandment?

That is where it leads if one follows the idea through.
Naked, without shame and in a close relationship with God.

 

[Scott Husted]

That is where it leads if one follows the idea through.
Naked, without shame and in a close relationship with God.

... and relationship being something you enter into ...

 

[honey badger]

.. of the whole Bible ...

Where would Adam and the woman have entered if they had kept the commandment of God? And how does this word relate to us as a truth in the midst?

A word is as a kingdom, as a seed, as a tree, as a woman, as a son, as a city, as a mountain, as a pure river that is as clear as crystal ...

solitude and the experience of it ....

 

[com7fy8]

They could have been very busy with the garden and having children.

But how much were they really relating with the LORD? I know ones say they had sinless fellowship with God. But it doesn't actually say this. They were perfect creatures, but not perfect like Jesus who cannot sin.

So, if they had done things God said to do, that would not necessarily have them fellowshipping with Him. I suspect we now can do things "for" God, like He is at some distance . . . versus personally submitting to Him and discovering what He has us doing with Him in His peace . . . sharing, then. We all are "called in one body" to personally submit to God in His own peace . . . so personal and submissive with Him >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

I would say this was not their relationship with the LORD. And our Apostle Paul says >

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

God was not in them, so personal that He was working their willing and doing in such intimate sharing with them . . . I would say. So, the relating was perhaps circumstantial, depending on when Jesus came along to talk with them. And we see what happened while He was not around.

So, maybe - - if they never had fallen from their creature state, I suppose they would have done creature things, and at times had a little talk with Jesus.

And no one could die, if there was no fall, I understand.

So - - after . . . some time . . . we on earth could be in a game of worldwide sardines, and then maybe we would start on more layers, which could double every so many years. That would take love, to get along in such close quarters

And we would be sharing with ones who had been thousands of years on this earth, but no one getting old. And if we all kept reproducing, I suppose there now would be some number of layers of humans . . . starting with two humans at least six thousand years ago, and each resulting pair reproducing once every year or so. Each child would grow to about one foot deep, two feet wide and six feet tall in twenty years; my rough calculations show it would take less than our first thousand years to coat the earth with humans, the first time. And then, of course, if all kept reproducing, at some point the coatings could double their number, every so many years.

So, in any case, I would say this was not God's plan.

I think Romans 8:29 shows what was God's plan, all along.

 

[honey badger]

.. of the whole Bible ...

Where would Adam and the woman have entered if they had kept the commandment of God? And how does this word relate to us as a truth in the midst?

A word is as a kingdom, as a seed, as a tree, as a woman, as a son, as a city, as a mountain, as a pure river that is as clear as crystal ...

"And how does this word relate to us as a truth in the midst?"

it is the Truth/Life our soul reflects or abides in as this Truth/Life .... had Adam and the women kept the law there would have been no multiplication of the son and our Fathers house would have but the one room for Him to abide in, albeit this room without measure it would be one room none the less ...

i have been pondering this prior to your thread ... how our women/soul measures in relation to keeping the law and how God sees both through us individually and collectively in the very same moment, and how we will see when we as His soul/son are reconciled back to Him, and how for Him this reconciliation a finished work , and this work the moment His soul/son was cast down as an estrangement or separation by perception of spirit and soul divided, and this the price paid for the building of His house, and this house who we are

when reconciliation becomes our reality we will be fully God by being completely in God and therefor we will see as He sees by Him seeing through us as us .... a house of many rooms, and each room without measure, yet measured in God as God who has no measure ...

mind boggling

 

[Scott Husted]

They could have been very busy with the garden and having children.

But how much were they really relating with the LORD? I know ones say they had sinless fellowship with God. But it doesn't actually say this. They were perfect creatures, but not perfect like Jesus who cannot sin.

So, if they had done things God said to do, that would not necessarily have them fellowshipping with Him. I suspect we now can do things "for" God, like He is at some distance . . . versus personally submitting to Him and discovering what He has us doing with Him in His peace . . . sharing, then. We all are "called in one body" to personally submit to God in His own peace . . . so personal and submissive with Him >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

I would say this was not their relationship with the LORD. And our Apostle Paul says >

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

God was not in them, so personal that He was working their willing and doing in such intimate sharing with them . . . I would say. So, the relating was perhaps circumstantial, depending on when Jesus came along to talk with them. And we see what happened while He was not around.

So, maybe - - if they never had fallen from their creature state, I suppose they would have done creature things, and at times had a little talk with Jesus.

And no one could die, if there was no fall, I understand.

So - - after . . . some time . . . we on earth could be in a game of worldwide sardines, and then maybe we would start on more layers, which could double every so many years. That would take love, to get along in such close quarters

And we would be sharing with ones who had been thousands of years on this earth, but no one getting old. And if we all kept reproducing, I suppose there now would be some number of layers of humans . . . starting with two humans at least six thousand years ago, and each resulting pair reproducing once every year or so. Each child would grow to about one foot deep, two feet wide and six feet tall in twenty years; my rough calculations show it would take less than our first thousand years to coat the earth with humans, the first time. And then, of course, if all kept reproducing, at some point the coatings could double their number, every so many years.

So, in any case, I would say this was not God's plan.

I think Romans 8:29 shows what was God's plan, all along.

I think it would be a mistake to start with the premise that the purpose of God from before the foundation of the world would have been any different; the measurement of God is a serpent in the garden.

 

[Scott Husted]

"And how does this word relate to us as a truth in the midst?"

it is the Truth/Life our soul reflects or abides in as this Truth/Life .... had Adam and the women kept the law there would have been no multiplication of the son and our Fathers house would have but the one room for Him to abide in, albeit this room without measure it would be one room none the less ...

i have been pondering this prior to your thread ... how our women/soul measures in relation to keeping the law and how God sees both through us individually and collectively in the very same moment, and how we will see when we as His soul/son are reconciled back to Him, and how for Him this reconciliation a finished work , and this work the moment His soul/son was cast down as an estrangement or separation by perception of spirit and soul divided, and this the price paid for the building of His house, and this house who we are

when reconciliation becomes our reality we will be fully God by being completely in God and therefor we will see as He sees by Him seeing through us as us .... a house of many rooms, and each room without measure, yet measured in God as God who has no measure ...

mind boggling

Just a few thoughts/seeds ...

You never get out of the first two chapters of Genesis without multiple pictures that relate to something that is in the midst; a mystery hid, a treasure, and an earthen vessel.

Jesus likened knowing (tree of knowledge) God as life eternal (tree of life) ...

Without knowledge there is no relationship, and to not see the purpose of God in the creation is to be lost.

As for knowledge ... fear is the beginning of it; we die when we eat of it, become afraid because of it, and perish for the lack of it, and are adomished by Jesus (fear God) as a least thing we should do.

It is what knowledge became to us (in picture) through disobedience which turned our Father into an adversary to us.

Just as it does now the tree would have yielded its fruit to them through obedience and the process of time (twelve manner of fruits each month, 144 a year, to the end of the son we are).

 

[honey badger]

"and are admonished by Jesus (fear God) as a least thing we should do."

are you saying the least thing we should do is have a fear of God ?

 

[Scott Husted]

"and are admonished by Jesus (fear God) as a least thing we should do."

are you saying the least thing we should do is have a fear of God ?

If nothing else it's a good place to start ...

 

[honey badger]

If nothing else it's a good place to start ...

it could be said that its a fear of the unknown ....

 

[Scott Husted]

it could be said that its a fear of the unknown ....

The word is with him in the beginning ... it is hid in him ...

 

[Junia]

They could have been very busy with the garden and having children.

But how much were they really relating with the LORD? I know ones say they had sinless fellowship with God. But it doesn't actually say this. They were perfect creatures, but not perfect like Jesus who cannot sin.

So, if they had done things God said to do, that would not necessarily have them fellowshipping with Him. I suspect we now can do things "for" God, like He is at some distance . . . versus personally submitting to Him and discovering what He has us doing with Him in His peace . . . sharing, then. We all are "called in one body" to personally submit to God in His own peace . . . so personal and submissive with Him >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

I would say this was not their relationship with the LORD. And our Apostle Paul says >

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

God was not in them, so personal that He was working their willing and doing in such intimate sharing with them . . . I would say. So, the relating was perhaps circumstantial, depending on when Jesus came along to talk with them. And we see what happened while He was not around.

So, maybe - - if they never had fallen from their creature state, I suppose they would have done creature things, and at times had a little talk with Jesus.

And no one could die, if there was no fall, I understand.

So - - after . . . some time . . . we on earth could be in a game of worldwide sardines, and then maybe we would start on more layers, which could double every so many years. That would take love, to get along in such close quarters

And we would be sharing with ones who had been thousands of years on this earth, but no one getting old. And if we all kept reproducing, I suppose there now would be some number of layers of humans . . . starting with two humans at least six thousand years ago, and each resulting pair reproducing once every year or so. Each child would grow to about one foot deep, two feet wide and six feet tall in twenty years; my rough calculations show it would take less than our first thousand years to coat the earth with humans, the first time. And then, of course, if all kept reproducing, at some point the coatings could double their number, every so many years.

So, in any case, I would say this was not God's plan.

I think Romans 8:29 shows what was God's plan, all along.

Probably. But just like today some of them may have decided not to reproduce. some people.just don't want to. That would still be the case even if not for the Fall.

Because then the garden would have got too full up! What with there being no death.

W

 

[Junia]

If nothing else it's a good place to start ...

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the word for fear in the Bible means awe. To be in awe of God. Not reading him like we fear.something bad happening to us.
God is our father Nd like.all good father's he wants respect but he doesn't want us to shrink away in terror of Him. He isn't abusive or easily angered

 

[Scott Husted]

I

the word for fear in the Bible means awe. To be in awe of God. Not reading him like we fear.something bad happening to us.
God is our father Nd like.all good father's he wants respect but he doesn't want us to shrink away in terror of Him. He isn't abusive or easily angered

The word fear (like two sons) is either or by definition, but I agree that there is no way to truly be intimate with God if you are merely afraid of him because he can destroy both your body and your soul (which is more in the line we with a threat).

I've heard it said that if you scared them into the kingdom you gotta keep them scared to kept them saved.

 

[Junia]

The word fear (like two sons) is either or by definition, but I agree that there is no way to truly be intimate with God if you are merely afraid of him because he can destroy both your body and your soul (which is more in the line we with a threat).

I've heard it said that if you scared them into the kingdom you gotta keep them scared to kept them saved.

the thing is, once we are truly born again, we have nothing to fear at all because we have been saved from hell... Perfect love casts out fear. That is for the believer.

sadly the dangers of hell still apply.don't be unbeliever or maybe those who were once saved but chose to walk.away from that salvation. There at of us know God as a living gentle father who is for us. No condemnation for a born again believer as we now walk by spirit

 

[Scott Husted]

the thing is, once we are truly born again, we have nothing to fear at all because we have been saved from hell... Perfect love casts out fear. That is for the believer.

sadly the dangers of hell still apply.don't be unbeliever or maybe those who were once saved but chose to walk.away from that salvation. There at of us know God as a living gentle father who is for us. No condemnation for a born again believer as we now walk by spirit

To be truly born again is like being really pregnant, it is an hot or cold issue ... our steps become ordered to us when we believe that they are (in an ever increasing way).

There is a vast difference to personally seeing something as opposed to entering into what you have seen outside of the process of time; Jesus was as one born in the land, whereas Abraham was not.