In Eastern Orthodoxy - What happened to the Keys given to Peter?

[ArmyMatt]

Your way of skewing the truth I guess

how so?

 

[prodromos]

Not as funny as you buddy!

You have to be being funny, The alternative is that you are arguing against the Orthodox faith in our home forum which would be in violation of the rules.

 

[buzuxi02]

Your way of skewing the truth I guess

"Now just as Peter alone answered for them all, they were all asked as a group, so what the Lord answered to Peter, he answered to all of them in Peter. He inquired about what others felt about him so by first exposing the notions of those who were mistaken, He could prove that the disciples had recieved the truth of their confession not through popular opinion but through the given mystery of the Lord's revelation." (St Bede the Venerable Homily 1.20 chair of St Peter. homilies on the gospel bk1)

 

[Goatee]

"Now just as Peter alone answered for them all, they were all asked as a group, so what the Lord answered to Peter, he answered to all of them in Peter. He inquired about what others felt about him so by first exposing the notions of those who were mistaken, He could prove that the disciples had recieved the truth of their confession not through popular opinion but through the given mystery of the Lord's revelation." (St Bede the Venerable Homily 1.20 chair of St Peter. homilies on the gospel bk1)

Peter, the rock. The only one who was filled with the Holy Spirit that answered Jesus from the heart. Given the keys. He, who the church would be built upon of which, Jesus is the Corner Stone.

 

[prodromos]

Peter, the rock. The only one who was filled with the Holy Spirit that answered Jesus from the heart. Given the keys. He, who the church would be built upon of which, Jesus is the Corner Stone.

That is like those Christians who quote John 3:16 and think that is all it is. You have such a narrow focus that you miss the big picture.

 

[buzuxi02]

Peter, the rock. The only one who was filled with the Holy Spirit that answered Jesus from the heart. Given the keys. He, who the church would be built upon of which, Jesus is the Corner Stone.

Well if you believe that fine with me. But all the disciples were filled with the Holy Spirit, dont believe me believe your very own saints such as the Venerable Bede or even Saint John Chrysostom (here is John Chrysosotom commentary using the translation of Sister. Thomas Aquinas Goggin, published by Catholic University Press of America):

It is the son of Thunder, the Beloved disciple of Christ, the Pillar of all the Churches in the world, who now comes to us. It is he who possesses the keys of heaven, who has drunk the chalice of Christ, and has been baptised with His baptism, and who so confidently reclined on the breast of the Lord......
The powers above stand by this Apostle, astounded by the beauty of his soul, and his understanding, and the bloom of his virtue, in consequence he even attracted even Christ Himself and received the grace of the Spirit. Having prepared his soul as a golden lyre, well made and inlaid with precious stones, he brought it about that the Holy Spirit should send forth a great and sublime sound by its means. Accordingly let us listen no longer to the fisherman, the son of Zebedee, but as to one who knows the deep things of God. I mean the Holy Spirit, as He strokes the Lyre. In truth, he will speak nothing human to us, but will draw whatever he may say from deep spiritual reserves, from those awesome mysteries which even the angels did not know, before they took place..."(John Chrysostom, commentary on the Gospel of St John the evangelist homily 1 paragraphs 2-3)

CHURCH FATHERS: Homily 1 on the Gospel of John (Chrysostom)

 

[buzuxi02]

Do you believe that the keys were given to the 11 Apostles also?

This was always the belief of the Church. Here is St. Bede the Venerable in 700 A.D. apostle to Britain and proclaimed a doctor of the Church by your Pope Leo XIII in 1899:

"By the conferal upon him (Peter) beyond the others of the keys of the heavenly kingdom, it was obvious to all that without this confession and faith no one could enter into the kingdom of the heavens. He names the 'keys of the kingdom of the heavens' that knowledge and power of discernment with which Peter was to receive the worthy into the kingdom and to exclude the unworthy...Although it may seem that this power of loosing and binding was given by the Lord only to Peter, we must nevertheless know without any doubtthat it was given to the other apostles, as Christ himelf testified, when after the triumph of His passion and ressurection, He appeared to them and breathed upon them and said to them all, 'Receive ye the Holy Spirit, if ye foregive the sins of any they are forgiven to them: if ye retain the sins of any, they are retained. Indeed, even now the same office is committed to the whole Church in her bishops and priests. (Bede Homily 1.20 After Epiphany, Homilies on the Gospels bk 1)

 

[Goatee]

That is like those Christians who quote John 3:16 and think that is all it is. You have such a narrow focus that you miss the big picture.

Well, you are obviously going to disagree!

 

[prodromos]

Well, you are obviously going to disagree!

I'm in good company, not that I put myself at the level of the Saints, but do you ever consider why your beliefs are at odds with many Church Fathers?

 

[ArmyMatt]

Peter, the rock. The only one who was filled with the Holy Spirit that answered Jesus from the heart. Given the keys. He, who the church would be built upon of which, Jesus is the Corner Stone.

well, no. St Peter was not the only one filled with the Holy Spirit (John the Baptist), was not the only one who made such a confession (Nathaniel in John's Gospel), and St Peter is not he who the Church is built upon in Revelation 21, but all 12 Apostles. this is probably one of the reasons more Fathers say the actual rock is the confession, and not St Peter.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Did you just say “be being,” Pro? Now THAT is a double positive form of existence!!

You have to be being funny, The alternative is that you are arguing against the Orthodox faith in our home forum which would be in violation of the rules.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Well if Blessed St. Peter's marriage was anything like mine, he had the keys and his wife “borrowed” them, then they spent years looking for where she laid them down!!