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before Adam messed it up.
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before Adam messed it up.
By disobeying God's commandment not to eat of the forbidden fruit. As a result he and all of us i.e. human nature became subject to corruption and death.How?
By disobeying God's commandment not to eat of the forbidden fruit. As a result he and all of us i.e. human nature became subject to corruption and death.
I’m pretty sure ixon meant exactly what the post said (though ixon can confirm or deny that).Don't you mean they put their will ahead of God's will and broke what would be Jesus' first commandment, and set God and us on a continuing course of man's will vs God's will throughout history and the Bible???
Romans 5:12-21 said:Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
They broke the command of God: to not eat the fruit of the tree of life.
The point of the gospel is not that mankind continued in willful disobedience, but that through one man - Jesus, we are given the gift to become righteous and to overcome that disobedience, corruption and death. It is the triumph over sin, not a hopeless battle.Yes and that was putting their own will ahead of God. They still refuse to reject the self serving will of their own making and do as God commanded in loving all neighbours as self. Again Bible cover to cover shows the back and forth between man and God and man's continual refusal to submit to the will of God. It's like potty training a kid but at least with kids most do learn. Mankind putting God's will first, not so much so.
Isn't that what disobedience means? Part of the corruption of our nature is the tendency to sin (disobey God), the will of the flesh, the garments of skin, the passions (sicknesses) of the soul, the thorns and the thistles that make it hard to cultivate the bread that nourishes our soul, which is obedience to and communion with God.Don't you mean they put their will ahead of God's will and broke what would be Jesus' first commandment, and set God and us on a continuing course of man's will vs God's will throughout history and the Bible???
The point of the gospel is not that mankind continued in willful disobedience, but that through one man - Jesus, we are given the gift to become righteous and to overcome that disobedience, corruption and death. It is the triumph over sin, not a hopeless battle.
In other words a story of the will of man vs the will of God.
If by "the will of man" you mean our sinful will that is turned against God, and by "the will of God" you mean God's loving compassion to heal, rescue, and redeem us and all creation in spite of our waywardness.
If that is a fancy way of saying our way of selfishness vs His will of selflessness for us.
You seem to really want to shoehorn everything into your own personal view.
He's going to keep His word on that.
No need to turn into a religion the simplicity that Jesus taught the simple.
The reason why it is a religion is because Jesus made it one. If you have an issue with this, take it up with Him.
I’m not sure what you are referencing with “allegiance to nations that refuse to follow God’s will and churches which re-aligned themselves with the State contrary to the Gospel of the Kingdom”. I could guess, but I’m hoping I’m wrong.He opened the door to the Kingdom but the choice of who's will is first is still ours. No lover's of the will of man in the Kingdom. A tough call for those whose allegiance is to nations that refuse to follow God's will and churches which re-aligned themselves with the State contrary to the Gospel of the Kingdom.
No He didn't.
(If you are trying to say that churches like Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, etc are unbiblical;