In case you *still* believe the lies about wide spread voter fraud......

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Former White House communications director Alyssa Farah said that Trump simply lost the election and he lied about there being any evidence of wide spread voter fraud.

This is verified by the fact that Attorney General Bill Barr and the justice department also looked into those allegation and they found no such evidence.

Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud

Both of these individuals were hired by Trump and they were (perhaps still are) loyal to Trump, leaving only in the last part of the administration.

Furthermore, a more recent campaign "postmortem" study also verifies the conclusion that Trump lost the election because most people simply didn't trust Trump anymore, and they believed that he seriously botched the Covid-19 epidemic response. That's not surprising either since Trump has admitted to downplaying the seriousness of the virus.

Trump pollster's campaign autopsy paints damning picture of defeat

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000177-6046-de2d-a57f-7a6e8c950000

There's simply no reliable evidence to support the belief in wide spread voter fraud. Over sixty court cases were simply tossed out right out of court, and no evidence of fraud was found to be credible.

The last election was no different than any other election in terms of voter fraud. Trump simply lost. Period.
I think the problem is.many people don't seem to get the difference between conspiracy theories, trolling and conservatism
 
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...or it's only "compelling" if you already believe those debunked, tired myths he pushes in his video?
tulc(is just sayn')

I am agnostic on the issue...

That means I am open either way.

The arguments being presented are compelling but may be deceptive...
 
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Joint Statement from Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council & the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees | CISA

Who is Mary Fanning? AFAIK, he's some sort of an author, but she doesn't work for the government, and her position is the exact opposite of what the government reported. Who *specifically* did Mary get her spreadsheet from, and her graphics from? What kind of computer background does she have? It sounds like something that Putin or Iran might promote, but she doesn't seem the least bit credible on this topic.
 
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I am agnostic on the issue...

That means I am open either way.

The arguments being presented are compelling but may be deceptive...

The part that seems deceptive to me is the fact that Mike didn't seem to ask her much about where the actual information came from in terms of names, or anything that a reporter might have asked her when trying to verify her story. She wasn't under oath. Her face wasn't even shown during the interview. Is she even a US citizen? Who is she, and why should I trust her rather than the government reports?

Joint Statement from Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council & the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees | CISA
 
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As someone once said (Weaver?) "If the proposition is wrong, reason increases malfeasance". This has been thoroughly debunked ...

In this day and age "it has been debunked" means nothing...

It may come to nothing or it may not. I will watch it play out.
 
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In this day and age "it has been debunked" means nothing...
It may come to nothing or it may not. I will watch it play out.

I would suggest that "in this day and age" debunked means nothing because some people are enamored with wild conspiracy theories...for some the seduction of events counter to the need for reliable evidence and proof cause a jettisoning of reason. Is it any wonder that alex jones, o'keefe, and of course Qanon have such wide appeal...

I appreciate what an absolute bore this must be...

"There is no legitimate evidence that an employee of the Italian defense company Leonardo SpA interfered in the 2020 U.S. presidential election."

Fact check: Evidence disproves claims of Italian conspiracy to meddle in U.S. election (known as #ItalyGate)

"Debunking the claims made by Zack in the controversial audio, Lead Stories reported that there was no evidence to support the international conspiracy theory."

Obama Plotted to Make Trump Lose Election? Votes 'Switched' Using Italian Satellites, Says Conspiracy Theory
 
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...what it makes them is "what does the evidence say?" that would be what determines the truth of either.



tulc(hopes that helps)

Glad you see that - you stop bringing up the debunked post on Trump mocking a handicapped reporter and I'll stop bringing up the debunked post on how the election was stolen.

HisLegacy (Noticed this horse isn't breathing or moving, I think it is dead, yup it is.)
 
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So who is Maria, and why should I believe her?

You should believe her because the more conspiracy theories the better. From powell's chavez/Venezuela, to Germany , China, now Italy... soon it will be those lizard people, or those involved with the laser beams starting CA wildfires ... evidence? We don't need no stinkin' evidence!!
 
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You can get background from

Nations In Action

As to why you should believe her - I think it is too early to believe anyone on this issue.

Larry Johnson: A Closer Look at the Hammer and Scorecard - UPDATED

This brings me to the Mary Fanning segment in the Michael Lindell produced video, ABSOLUTE PROOF. Mary Fanning claims to have evidence that foreign servers, including locations in China and Iran, were changing vote totals in specific counties. Unfortunately, she has not published any of this alleged evidence. You just have to trust her. But I dug into the information she is relying on and learned that her source is Dennis Montgomery.

Montgomery has a checkered past:

Montgomery’s software claims were reportedly responsible for a false terror alert which grounded international flights and caused Department of Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge to raise the government’s security level.[9] In February 2006, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and U.S. Air Force office of Special Investigations opened an economic espionage and theft of intellectual property investigation into Montgomery and Blxware.[10]

In court papers filed in Los Angeles, a former lawyer for Montgomery calls the software designer a “habitual liar engaged in fraud.” Last June Montgomery was charged in Las Vegas with bouncing nine checks (totaling $1 million) in September 2008 and was arrested on a felony warrant in Rancho Mirage, California. That million is only a portion of what he lost to five casinos in Nevada and California in just one year. That’s according to his federal bankruptcy filing, where he reported personal debts of $12 million. The FBI has investigated him, and some of his own co-workers say he staged phony demonstrations of military technology for the U.S. government.

Not the most reliable resource if you ask me. :)
 
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soon it will be those lizard people

Members of Congress???

You can see them for what they really are---but you have to have the special glasses.

they live.jpg
 
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