In case you *still* believe the lies about wide spread voter fraud......

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Trust the court system?

Trump did appoint several hundred judges to the bench, as well as three Supreme Court Justices thanks to McConnell. If Trump can't trust judges that he put on the bench, why did he put them on the bench in the first place? He had *sixty* opportunities to present evidence at any or all of those trials. Not *once* did they even use the term 'fraud' in their petitions to the court. Why not?

How many times have you heard about someone who has spent years in prison being released because irrefutable evidence has been brought to light which exonerated them?

Statistically speaking, how often does that happen, and what are the odds of that happening 60 times in a row?

Trust the governors?

The state of GA has a Republican Governor. Why would he lie about who won his state?

Didn't one of those guys just get caught in illegal activity? Here is a list of 11 governors convicted of crimes.
Working at the white house is no guarantee honesty and loyalty.

Don't even go there. Half of the guys that Trump hired ended up doing something illegal and he simply pardoned them.

What's your beef with Bill Barr?
 
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Well, Alyssa didn't think so either, and she finally quit when her job conflicted with her moral values. She told it like it was.

Trump had legal remedies at his disposal and they all failed. Any rational and humble individual would have simply conceded the election and none of this would happened. Instead Trump lied to and deceived his followers and those lies generated a lot of anger and hostility in the minds of his supporters. He then summoned the angriest of them to DC to do his bidding, and he lied to them some more before he ordered them to march on down to the capitol for 'trail by combat'.

See what I mean about going berserk? Trump didnt cause the taking of the Whitehouse, he insighted nothing, but you have him convicted of it already.

And so what if he covered every possible avenue to see if there was widespread fraud. After the Russian colusion thing, and many other false accusations towards him, he had every reason to not give up. No big deal, unless one makes it a big deal, as some surely will.

People aren't seeing the whole pictuere here, just leftt wing business as usual and seeing all they want to see, all that helps their agenda along, or seeing things in a way that makes Trump a bad man, even if they have to ignore the actual circumstances behind it all.

But nothing new there, they have been treating him that way since 2016 and though he was a champ at handling that, after a time, the berating may have gotten to him and made him a bit paranoid....all understandable if one wants to understand anyway.
 
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See what I mean about going berserk? Trump didnt cause the taking of the Whitehouse, he insighted nothing, but you have him convicted of it already.

Actually, as it relates to inciting sedition, Trump pretty much convicted himself. Let's look at the historical facts.

In every previous Presidential election in my fairly lengthy lifetime, with a single exception, the looser of the race graciously and with humility conceded defeat, and encouraged unity. They all expressed support for the winner within hours, at most a day or two from the time the votes had been counted and reported.

The only exception to that process was the Bush/Gore race in 2000, where the entire electoral college race was decided by a *single* state, and by a margin of less than a thousand votes. Think about that. The entire race came down to about 600 votes total.

In that particular case there were legal questions which were raised before the concession, including questions about "hanging chads". Once that legal process had run it's course through the court system however, Gore was mature enough, gracious enough and humble enough to admit defeat. Gore also called for national unity and reconciliation. Note that this concession happened *long* before the states had officially certified their results, and *long* before those results were presented to the congress.

And so what if he covered every possible avenue to see if there was widespread fraud.

The problem is that once Trump covered those *legal* avenues, he *still* refused to admit that he lost. He still continued to lie about voter fraud even *after* he lost over 60 court challenges, and even after Bill Barr announced that he found no evidence of wide spread fraud which might have affected the outcome of any single state election, let alone *multiple* states.

Instead of being mature enough and gracious enough and patriotic enough to put his country first, and simply admit defeat, and call for unity as everyone else has done, Trump compounded lies upon lies upon more lies, and he simply ignored all evidence to the contrary. He ignored the will and results of the states. He ignored the rulings of the courts. He ignored the results of the investigation by Bill Barr and he justice department. He ignored the advice of Farah who urged him to do the right thing. He *refused* to stop lying!

Trump let his ego run amok for *months*, lying to his followers over and over and over again about a mythical "stolen" election. *He* instilled all that anger inside of his followers and that mob with his *lies*. That anger was *put there intentionally* by Trump, a man without a conscience who put himself above his country, himself above the constitution, and himself above the courts.

But Trump didn't stop with simply instilling and inciting anger in his followers. He took it to the next level of sedition. Trump used Twitter to actually *summon* the angriest elements of his followers to DC on the day the electoral college votes were presented to a joint session of Congress and to the VP.

They were angry and ready for violence even before they got there. They brought pipe bombs and guns, bats, pipes, mace, bullet proof vests, riot gear, and handcuffs. They erected a noose and gallows outside of the Capitol. They were angry by the time they even got to DC at Trumps invitation, and he fed them even more lies to make them even angrier. He lied by making them believe that they could could somehow change the outcome of the election by being there that day.

His lies got even more ridiculous and more dangerous too. He falsely stated to his angry mob that Mike Pence had the constitutional authority to change the outcome of the votes. That was a lie. In reality, the VP's role in the counting of electoral college votes is ceremonial in nature, and he/she doesn't even get to vote in the matter. Mike Pence had *no* such constitutional authority. That was a *dangerous* lie. Trump threw his own VP under the bus and put his life in danger that day.

Trump and his personal lawyer spent hours whipping the mob into an angry frenzy, with lies upon lies upon lies upon lies about a mythical stolen election. They used violent terms like "trial by combat" and "fight like hell or you won't have a country left", and "take names and kiss ass". These folks were already angry and *prepared* for battle and they wanted trial by combat by the time Trump was done speaking. Some even wore sweatshirts to the rally that said 'MAGA January 6, 2021 Civil War". They knew why they had been summoned, long before they arrived in DC that day, and everything Trump and Giuliani fed them was music to their angry ears.

Trump then told them one last cowardly lie when he said that he would march down to the Capitol with them. Instead, Trump went back to his office to watch the real show begin.

It turned *violent* fast. Mr. Twitter fingers however sat there for *hours* and did absolutely nothing to attempt to communicate with the violent mob that he summoned to DC and sicked upon the Capitol. Hours of violence went by and dead silence from Trump.

When he *finally* did attempt to communicate with his angry mob, he didn't condemn them, or condemn their violence and destruction and looting. Instead he claimed that he "loved' them, and he told them that they were "special". The "law and order" President allowed his own Capitol building to be ransacked and desecrated and he didn't lift a single twitter finger to condemn any of it, the whole day! It wasn't until *the following day* that Trump *finally* condemned the assault on the Capitol and condemned those who participated in it. Why did it take him that long?

All of the events of January 6th are a direct result of the fact that Trump wasn't man enough and mature enough and *humble* enough to simply admit defeat, to put the needs of his nation above himself, and simply *tell the truth* that he lost in free and fair elections. He's still *never* told the truth about that fact. He wasn't even mature enough to show up at the inauguration, but Mike Pence sure did. Contrary to Trumps lies, Pence has more courage than Trump and his bone spurs ever had.

As for the rest of your post, let's look at how it's gone politically for previous Presidents. Politics is a *dirty* business, and it has always been that way. If Trump had any illusions about that, he was a *horrible* student of recent Presidential history.

Are you old enough to remember Kenneth Starr, and the "Whitewater" investigation? When the Republicans won the house during the Clinton administration, they decided to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate a real estate deal that went bad, and money was lost by investors. The only reason anyone cared about *that* particular bad real estate deal was because a "Clinton" had been financially involved. So off Ken Starr goes on his "special prosecutor" mission to investigate the Whitewater matter.

He found *nothing* wrong at Whitewater. But Ken Starr wouldn't stop hounding Clinton, and he wouldn't close the investigation. It dragged *on* and *on* until finally one day Starr heard about blue dress and a sex scandal that had *absolutely nothing* whatsoever to do with 'Whitewater', but it did involve a 'Clinton'. *Finally* Starr caught Bill Clinton in a lie about his sex life, and the GOP impeached Clinton for telling a lie about his sex life under oath. It went nowhere in the Senate of course, but that was the modern day precedent for all future impeachments.

I hate to burst your bubble about Trump being so "mistreated". All modern Presidents have been mistreated, some worse than others. Most of them were smart enough to *not* start wars with the media however, and Trump took things to a whole new level on that front. He brought it on himself by antagonizing the press.

He also said *outrageously* controversial things during the campaign, like claiming to love WIKILEAKS, and asking the Russians, on live TV no less, to "find" Hillary's emails. The GOP changed it's platform too in favor of the Russians and to the detriment of Ukraine. Several of his chosen staff had previous ties to Russia too. He compounded the problem by not condemning the Russians for trying to interfere with our elections, and standing besides Putin and telling the world that he trusted Putin more than he trusted his own CIA.

Again, it's hardly surprising then that the justice department decided to look into his ties with Russia.

Note however that unlike Kenneth Starr, Mueller was a consummate professional. We didn't get a ton of 'leaks' from Mueller's team, like we did with Ken Starr. Mueller only investigated the Russian/Trump issue, and he simply turned over other evidence to other parts of the justice system so that *his* investigation stayed on track and on purpose.

Instead of patiently allowing Mueller to do his job, Trump badmouthed him too, even *before* any decisions had been made, and even before anything was known.

When Mueller closed the case and turned over his report, it turned out that there was not sufficient evidence to charge Trump with collusion with Russians, and the case was closed. End of that story. No impeachment for Trump, but it resulted in a few felony charges for folks related to other matters, so it wasn't (until Trumps pardons) a complete waste of time like Whitewater.

To get himself impeached, Trump didn't just lie about his sexual infidelities, he withheld aid from an adversary of Russia who was in a hot war with Russia (still is) and he tried to get a foreign power to dig up dirt on a child of his likely political nemesis. He incited a violent attack on the Capitol to earn his second impeachment.

But nothing new there, they have been treating him thst way since 2016 and though he was a champ at hamdling that, after a time, the berating may have gotten to him and made him a bit paranoid....all understandable if one wants to understand anyway.

Well, it's not like Trump was the only President or Presidential candidate in history to be treated badly by the other party. Remember all that "lock her up" nonsense over Hillary's use of a private email account?

Here's every Trump administration official accused of using personal email for government work including Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner
 
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* * *In every previous Presidential election in my fairly lengthy lifetime, with a single exception, the looser of the race graciously and with humility conceded defeat, and encouraged unity. They all expressed support for the winner within hours, at most a day or two from the time the votes had been counted and reported. * * *
Oh you mean like how the DP started trying to impeach Trump almost from day one of his presidency?
 
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See what I mean about going berserk? Trump didnt cause the taking of the Whitehouse, he insighted nothing, but you have him convicted of it already.

And so what if he covered every possible avenue to see if there was widespread fraud. After the Russian colusion thing, and many other false accusations towards him, he had every reason to not give up. No big deal, unless one makes it a big deal, as some surely will.

People aren't seeing the whole pictuere here, just leftt wing business as usual and seeing all they want to see, all that helps their agenda along, or seeing things in a way that makes Trump a bad man, even if they have to ignore the actual circumstances behind it all.

But nothing new there, they have been treating him thst way since 2016 and though he was a champ at hamdling that, after a time, the berating may have gotten to him and made him a bit paranoid....all understandable if one wants to understand anyway.
so...going with the standard :tantrum:"PRESIDENT TRUMP IS THE REAL VICTIM HERE!!" :tantrum: (tm) defense?
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Actually, as it relates to inciting sedition, Trump pretty much convicted himself. Let's look at the historical facts.

In every previous Presidential election in my fairly lengthy lifetime, with a single exception, the looser of the race graciously and with humility conceded defeat, and encouraged unity. They all expressed support for the winner within hours, at most a day or two from the time the votes had been counted and reported.

The only exception to that process was the Bush/Gore race in 2000, where the entire electoral college race was decided by a *single* state, and by a margin of less than a thousand votes. Think about that. The entire race came down to about 600 votes total.

In that particular case there were legal questions which were raised before the concession, including questions about "hanging chads". Once that legal process had run it's course through the court system however, Gore was mature enough, gracious enough and humble enough to admit defeat. Gore also called for national unity and reconciliation. Note that this concession happened *long* before the states had officially certified their results, and *long* before those results were presented to the congress.



The problem is that once Trump covered those *legal* avenues, he *still* refused to admit that he lost. He still continued to lie about voter fraud even *after* he lost over 60 court challenges, and even after Bill Barr announced that he found no evidence of wide spread fraud which might have affected the outcome of any single state election, let alone *multiple* states.

Instead of being mature enough and gracious enough and patriotic enough to put his country first, and simply admit defeat, and call for unity as everyone else has done, Trump compounded lies upon lies upon more lies, and he simply ignored all evidence to the contrary. He ignored the will and results of the states. He ignored the rulings of the courts. He ignored the results of the investigation by Bill Barr and he justice department. He ignored the advice of Farah who urged him to do the right thing. He *refused* to stop lying!

Trump let his ego run amok for *months*, lying to his followers over and over and over again about a mythical "stolen" election. *He* instilled all that anger inside of his followers and that mob with his *lies*. That anger was *put there intentionally* by Trump, a man without a conscience who put himself above his country, himself above the constitution, and himself above the courts.

But Trump didn't stop with simply instilling and inciting anger in his followers. He took it to the next level of sedition. Trump used Twitter to actually *summon* the angriest elements of his followers to DC on the day the electoral college votes were presented to a joint session of Congress and to the VP.

They were angry and ready for violence even before they got there. They brought pipe bombs and guns, bats, pipes, mace, bullet proof vests, riot gear, and handcuffs. They erected a noose and gallows outside of the Capitol. They were angry by the time they even got to DC at Trumps invitation, and he fed them even more lies to make them even angrier. He lied by making them believe that they could could somehow change the outcome of the election by being there that day.

His lies got even more ridiculous and more dangerous too. He falsely stated to his angry mob that Mike Pence had the constitutional authority to change the outcome of the votes. That was a lie. In reality, the VP's role in the counting of electoral college votes is ceremonial in nature, and he/she doesn't even get to vote in the matter. Mike Pence had *no* such constitutional authority. That was a *dangerous* lie. Trump threw his own VP under the bus and put his life in danger that day.

Trump and his personal lawyer spent hours whipping the mob into an angry frenzy, with lies upon lies upon lies upon lies about a mythical stolen election. They used violent terms like "trial by combat" and "fight like hell or you won't have a country left", and "take names and kiss ass". These folks were already angry and *prepared* for battle and they wanted trial by combat by the time Trump was done speaking. Some even wore sweatshirts to the rally that said 'MAGA January 6, 2021 Civil War". They knew why they had been summoned, long before they arrived in DC that day, and everything Trump and Giuliani fed them was music to their angry ears.

Trump then told them one last cowardly lie when he said that he would march down to the Capitol with them. Instead, Trump went back to his office to watch the real show begin.

It turned *violent* fast. Mr. Twitter fingers however sat there for *hours* and did absolutely nothing to attempt to communicate with the violent mob that he summoned to DC and sicked upon the Capitol. Hours of violence went by and dead silence from Trump.

When he *finally* did attempt to communicate with his angry mob, he didn't condemn them, or condemn their violence and destruction and looting. Instead he claimed that he "loved' them, and he told them that they were "special". The "law and order" President allowed his own Capitol building to be ransacked and desecrated and he didn't lift a single twitter finger to condemn any of it, the whole day! It wasn't until *the following day* that Trump *finally* condemned the assault on the Capitol and condemned those who participated in it. Why did it take him that long?

All of the events of January 6th are a direct result of the fact that Trump wasn't man enough and mature enough and *humble* enough to simply admit defeat, to put the needs of his nation above himself, and simply *tell the truth* that he lost in free and fair elections. He's still *never* told the truth about that fact. He wasn't even mature enough to show up at the inauguration, but Mike Pence sure did. Contrary to Trumps lies, Pence has more courage than Trump and his bone spurs ever had.

As for the rest of your post, let's look at how it's gone politically for previous Presidents. Politics is a *dirty* business, and it has always been that way. If Trump had any illusions about that, he was a *horrible* student of recent Presidential history.

Are you old enough to remember Kenneth Starr, and the "Whitewater" investigation? When the Republicans won the house during the Clinton administration, they decided to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate a real estate deal that went bad, and money was lost by investors. The only reason anyone cared about *that* particular bad real estate deal was because a "Clinton" had been financially involved. So off Ken Starr goes on his "special prosecutor" mission to investigate the Whitewater matter.

He found *nothing* wrong at Whitewater. But Ken Starr wouldn't stop hounding Clinton, and he wouldn't close the investigation. It dragged *on* and *on* until finally one day Starr heard about blue dress and a sex scandal that had *absolutely nothing* whatsoever to do with 'Whitewater', but it did involve a 'Clinton'. *Finally* Starr caught Bill Clinton in a lie about his sex life, and the GOP impeached Clinton for telling a lie about his sex life under oath. It went nowhere in the Senate of course, but that was the modern day precedent for all future impeachments.

I hate to burst your bubble about Trump being so "mistreated". All modern Presidents have been mistreated, some worse than others. Most of them were smart enough to *not* start wars with the media however, and Trump took things to a whole new level on that front. He brought it on himself by antagonizing the press.

He also said *outrageously* controversial things during the campaign, like claiming to love WIKILEAKS, and asking the Russians, on live TV no less, to "find" Hillary's emails. The GOP changed it's platform too in favor of the Russians and to the detriment of Ukraine. Several of his chosen staff had previous ties to Russia too. He compounded the problem by not condemning the Russians for trying to interfere with our elections, and standing besides Putin and telling the world that he trusted Putin more than he trusted his own CIA.

Again, it's hardly surprising then that the justice department decided to look into his ties with Russia.

Note however that unlike Kenneth Starr, Mueller was a consummate professional. We didn't get a ton of 'leaks' from Mueller's team, like we did with Ken Starr. Mueller only investigated the Russian/Trump issue, and he simply turned over other evidence to other parts of the justice system so that *his* investigation stayed on track and on purpose.

Instead of patiently allowing Mueller to do his job, Trump badmouthed him too, even *before* any decisions had been made, and even before anything was known.

When Mueller closed the case and turned over his report, it turned out that there was not sufficient evidence to charge Trump with collusion with Russians, and the case was closed. End of that story. No impeachment for Trump, but it resulted in a few felony charges for folks related to other matters, so it wasn't (until Trumps pardons) a complete waste of time like Whitewater.

To get himself impeached, Trump didn't just lie about his sexual infidelities, he withheld aid from an adversary of Russia who was in a hot war with Russia (still is) and he tried to get a foreign power to dig up dirt on a child of his likely political nemesis. He incited a violent attack on the Capitol to earn his second impeachment.



Well, it's not like Trump was the only President or Presidential candidate in history to be treated badly by the other party. Remember all that "lock her up" nonsense over Hillary's use of a private email account?

Here's every Trump administration official accused of using personal email for government work including Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner

so...going with the standard :tantrum:"PRESIDENT TRUMP IS THE REAL VICTIM HERE!!" :tantrum: (tm) defense?
tulc(isn't really surprised by that)

None of that changes my stance in the least. The left needs to step up and take their share of the blame in all this.
 
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None of that changes my stance in the least. The left needs to step up and take their share of the blame in all this.

In your opinion what exactly did the "left" do in the last election other than come out in droves to vote against Trump and throw him out of office? What exactly are you blaming the "left" of doing?

It's not like Kenneth Starr and Clinton's impeachment process never happened. The GOP has certainly persecuted the "left". What's up with the double standard of trying to play the victim card now simply because they feel that the shoe was on the other foot with respect to Trump?

Clinton wasn't impeached by the GOP because of anything even remotely related to Whitewater or a real estate deal gone bad. Clinton was impeached by the GOP because he lied about his sex life. Trump has not only lied about his sex life, and paid off inappropriate content stars, he's lied about *everything*. He was impeached for withholding military aid to Ukraine while trying to get them to dig up dirt on his political opponents and impeached again for inciting a violent riot at the Capitol.

I really don't understand why you think Trump is a "victim". I don't get that. Every politician gets mud slung on them when they go mud wrestling in national politics. That's the nature of the beast. Is it "fair"? Of course not. Is it par for the course in national politics? Absolutely!

Trump is only a "savior" figure in conspiracy theory la-la-land. In the real world, Trump is a liar and a con man who cheats on all of his wives, and who throws his own VP under the bus with his lies. Jesus Christ is the real 'savior'.
 
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None of that changes my stance in the least.
Well to be fair...if a stance isn't based on any facts or evidence that can be presented, it's not hard to see why none of those would make much difference.

The left needs to step up and take their share of the blame in all this.
I agree...would it help if I admitted we are indeed to blame for Trump losing the election? Because, you know, so many millions more Americans voted for President Biden than voted for Trump?
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In your opinion what exactly did the "left" do in the last election other than come out in droves to vote against Trump and throw him out of office? What exactly are you blaming the "left" of doing?

I already said...the left and the media hounded the poor guy for years just because they could not accept the fact he won. And again, if you didn't notice that, I cant help you.

How ironic that the left is upset with Trump for not accepting reality.
 
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Why not just let it die?

Beating the dead horse.jpg
 
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*** Trump ... was impeached for withholding military aid to Ukraine while trying to get them to dig up dirt on his political opponents and impeached again for inciting a violent riot at the Capitol* * *
Seems like Biden-ites can't even get their story straight.
The first impeachment of Donald Trump occurred when Donald Trump, the 45th president of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives of the 116th United States Congress on December 18, 2019. The House adopted two articles of impeachment against Trump: abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. The Senate acquitted Trump of these charges on February 5, 2020.[2]
And the Ukraine govt said no such quid pro quo ever happened. But Biden did and bragged about it on a video shown several times. But let's go ahead and elect Joe witholding aid to force another country to do what we want is fine as along as the DP is doing it.
 
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I already said...the left and the media hounded the poor guy for years just because they could not accept the fact he won. And again, if you didn't notice that, I cant help you.
Wait...you mean this "poor guy"?
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or do you mean this "poor guy"
A guide to Trump's nicknames and insults about the 2020 Democratic field
or for a more comprehensive list of what the "poor guy" thought:
List of nicknames used by Donald Trump - Wikipedia


How ironic that the left is upset with Trump for not accepting reality.
Ahhh! I see where the problem is now, no one "on the left" expected Trump to accept reality, no, what the problem would be is his supporters also supporting his delusions about the election. That's the real disturbing aspect of this situation.
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Wait...you mean this "poor guy"?
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:coffee:

Gotta love your tenacity - even though this has been debunked (7 times by me) the narrative keeps on being said.

HisLegacy (just thought that would be important to mention it has been debunked over and over and ....)

 
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Gotta love your tenacity - even though this has been debunked (7 times by me) the narrative keeps on being said. (snip)
...kind of like how the "massive election fraud" keeps getting debunked but some people keep pushing it as being real?
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I already said...the left and the media hounded the poor guy for years just because they could not accept the fact he won. And again, if you didn't notice that, I cant help you.

How ironic that the left is upset with Trump for not accepting reality.

What you're complaining about is simply "politics as usual" in DC. Do you think Foxnews ever really "accepted" that Obama won? Trump didn't drop his "birther" smear campaign against Obama until Trump ran for office!

Only *some* of the media hounded Trump and some supported him, just like *some* of the media hounded Clinton and Obama and Biden and some supported them. Some media leans right, some leans left. That's *normal* politics as usual. When you say 'the media", you over generalize.

Trump was however a bit unique in the sense that he didn't shy away from biting the hand that was feeding him at Foxnews. That was fun to watch, but it was his own fault.

But I admit. I personally conspired against Trump to get rid of him in the last election. I voted with the majority.
 
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But I admit. I personally conspired against Trump to get rid of him in the last election. I voted with the majority.
well...in all fairness there were a lot of people doing that at the time...
tulc(was one as well)
 
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What you're complaining about is simply "politics as usual" in DC.

You still refuse to see...there was nothing "usual" about Trumps treatment by the biased left/media, not even close.
 
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Wait...you mean this "poor guy"?
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or do you mean this "poor guy"
A guide to Trump's nicknames and insults about the 2020 Democratic field
or for a more comprehensive list of what the "poor guy" thought:
List of nicknames used by Donald Trump - Wikipedia



Ahhh! I see where the problem is now, no one "on the left" expected Trump to accept reality, no, what the problem would be is his supporters also supporting his delusions about the election. That's the real disturbing aspect of this situation.
tulc(is going to need more coffee soon) :coffee:

You really don't seem to have much to add.
 
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...kind of like how the "massive election fraud" keeps getting debunked but some people keep pushing it as being real?
tulc(is just curious)

Does that make either of them right? Or are both wrong?

HisLegacy. (Genuinely interested)
 
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