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In Arminianism, God excludes some people from salvation

Discussion in 'Soteriology DEBATE' started by Skala, Apr 8, 2014.

  1. OzSpen

    OzSpen Regular Member

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    When you don't extend to me the courtesy of providing a link to what I said, I will not respond.

    I'll be happy to respond to your allegation, but not when it is nebulous like this.

    I went back to #481 but could not get the exact references and inferences that you made. I won't be doing it again. When there are over 500 posts and you don't give a link, that's not being courteous.
     
  2. Skala

    Skala I'm a Saint. Not because of me, but because of Him

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    Amen!

    And yet nobody would ever be willing to do that without heart changing grace!

    Praise God for this grace, amirite?
     
  3. FreeGrace2

    FreeGrace2 Senior Veteran

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    I praise God for all of His grace, mercy and love. But where is that verse that tells me that one's heart must be changed before one can believe. I just can't put my finger on one. Please help.
     
  4. Skala

    Skala I'm a Saint. Not because of me, but because of Him

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    Please consider Rom 8:8-9
     
  5. OzSpen

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    There is not a word in these 2 verses that states that one's heart must be changed before one can believe. Not a word.

    Paul is writing to Christians, 'to all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints' (Rom 1:7).

    Rom 8:8-9 states:
    Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him (ESV).
    These verses fail to support your point that regeneration precedes faith.
     
  6. FreeGrace2

    FreeGrace2 Senior Veteran

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    Romans 8:8
    and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
    Romans 8:9
    However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

    Carnal (fleshly) believers cannot please God. Neither verse says anything about one's heart needing to be changed in order to believe.

    Is there any?
     
  7. Skala

    Skala I'm a Saint. Not because of me, but because of Him

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    The verse teaches that without the indwelling spirit, a person cannot do anything pleasing to God.

    Can you start listing things that are pleasing to God?
     
  8. FreeGrace2

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    It's saying much more than that. It is also saying that believers won't please God when "carnal"/fleshly/sarx. (in the flesh)

    We all know there is only 1 on that list. Heb 11:6

    Hebrews 11:6
    And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is (exists) and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

    It's instructive to note a few things here.

    First, it shows that individuals do come to God.

    Second, and that there are "those who seek Him", which refutes the erroneous RT view of Rom 3:10.
     
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