In addition to the Trump Vaccines We now have a treatment.

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Trump hadn’t developed any vaccines.
True. He did, however, provide the leadership to get big pharma moving to get them developed, ensured red tape did not stop it, etc. Heard of "Operation Warp Speed"? That was his doing. The man has his faults and plenty of them, but he is a leader and gets things done.
 
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True. He did, however, provide the leadership to get big pharma moving to get them developed, ensured red tape did not stop it, etc. Heard of "Operation Warp Speed"? That was his doing. The man has his faults and plenty of them, but he is a leader and gets things done.
The guy doesn’t even read, I just doubt he personally did any thinking about operation warp speed. I imagine that capable people made the plan and he signed off on it.
 
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When are leaders paid not to delegate?
Leaders are paid to delegate and also stay informed and make decisions. Trump made it clear he was never really understood COVID-19, he hasn’t even been going to the briefings.
 
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Leaders are paid to delegate and also stay informed and make decisions. Trump made it clear he was never really understood COVID-19, he hasn’t even been going to the briefings.
He understood that doctors did get told to lie about deaths when it meant more money, just as also the congressman who was a licensed doctor working in hospital(s) verified they were told to do.
 
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Leaders are paid to delegate and also stay informed and make decisions. Trump made it clear he was never really understood COVID-19, he hasn’t even been going to the briefings.
I guess like Biden he just does what he is told until late at night when no one is looking.
 
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I guess like Biden he just does what he is told until late at night when no one is looking.
fwiw, going to the "official" briefings don't help understand the truth of a matter - it is just political spin daily.

btw, what does God say about things done "late at night" as if in secret ? > as if no one is looking ?
 
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He understood that doctors did get told to lie about deaths when it meant more money, just as also the congressman who was a licensed doctor working in hospital(s) verified they were told to do.
Oh please, what does that conspiracy theory have to do with my comment?
 
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The problem there isn't profit from a cure but the destruction of an entire industry and career researchers jobs once a cure is admitted to. The medical mafia isn't stupid.

This is very similar to the Republican fake opposition to abortion.
There is no opportunity for continued profit or power for Republican politicians if abortion is ever actually outlawed. Only the destruction of an entire power structure and money generating scheme. Which is why in 50 years Republican politicians haven't lifted a finger to end it. The Republican Mafia isn't stupid.
 
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True but in this case what he does is tweet to a world waiting to pounce
So ?
We in Christ are as sheep led daily to slaughter - (i.e. society/ wolves waiting to pounce when God permits them to)
 
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Some people flouting the term seem to think it somehow makes them credible.
Usually, so far as I've seen anywhere , when someone says "conspiracy theory", they are not credible themselves. (and perhaps often trying to ignore the facts that way ? )
 
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The Republican Mafia isn't stupid.
True enough. The original idea was to gain the Catholic vote which had previously supported the Dems by creating a situation where they would then claim to be the saviours of. Kinda like how Johnson said by his program that blacks would vote Dem for hundreds of years. Neither has anything to gain by following through so we only see them reach out at election time. Yet people foolishly chose sides and play a game of empty promises. On the other hand you have an unelected world government forming that will deliver on it's promises, even if they create the problems in the first place. They don't trap with promises but deliver and once the fold is in the pen they won't be free to leave.
 
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Usually, so far as I've seen anywhere , when someone says "conspiracy theory", they are not credible themselves. (and perhaps often trying to ignore the facts that way ? )
There are many like that on forums and social media everywhere. It's hard to tell which are paid to do so and which are just minions, but either way contribute little by simply being nay sayers and mockers and name callers who think denial should be enough to sway the ignorant. It may have worked in the 40's or for young bullies online but without anything productive coming from them they are just an annoying squeak. Everybody deserves to be heard but only if they actually have a point to contribute, not presented as gospel truth, but simply for consideration from either side. Free thought and open mindedness has always been the enemy of the weak. Be thankful they are not like those who have a meltdown every time some puts forward a statement that disagrees with them which we are seeing more and more of. Self entitlement is not a right but does serve the agenda of those who pull their strings.
 
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"when someone says "conspiracy theory", they are not credible themselves." is that just for this thread? Well the left has been using that ALLOT and then the RIGHT. Hmm so what does this mean then :)

I don't know why some make this harder then it is. President Trump didn't make any vaccine but he did really help push it. And if this had been ANY other president this thread would not be here.

I just watched someone on the 19th asking Biden basically "whats up with Covid" Biden's answer? "why do you people always shout". That was it. He did say how dark it was going to be.. hes not even president and.. seems to be keeping his word. I pray the vaccines come fast. Toss out Trump and our personally childish talk about him because the WORLD needs help! People in America need help.

I am sure all here know someone personally that has this virus. We do.. some are very very very sick. I don't care WHO wants to tag their name to it..just get it out there
 
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Well, so far as anyone knows, vitamins d, c, a, e and other nutrients might help build a person's strength back, whether slowly or quickly , either way would be an improvement, right ?
As far as the last 118 years goes, the toxins injected into people often cause unwanted side effects, and maybe also often do not provide immunity.
Plus there is the cost in money, and the misplaced trust in thinking the corporations are not making them for money ...

Why not let people choose for themselves at least ? Don't force anyone to do anything against their conscience, nor force them to do anything that harms them. (whatever happened to "first of all, do no harm" ? It seems like it has been over 50 years since that was even published anywhere , even though it used to be the first rule for 'doctors' )
 
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Well, so far as anyone knows, vitamins d, c, a, e and other nutrients might help build a person's strength back, whether slowly or quickly , either way would be an improvement, right ?
As far as the last 118 years goes, the toxins injected into people often cause unwanted side effects, and maybe also often do not provide immunity.
Plus there is the cost in money, and the misplaced trust in thinking the corporations are not making them for money ...

Why not let people choose for themselves at least ? Don't force anyone to do anything against their conscience, nor force them to do anything that harms them. (whatever happened to "first of all, do no harm" ? It seems like it has been over 50 years since that was even published anywhere , even though it used to be the first rule for 'doctors' )

Really laughable those promoting doing harm asking others to do no harm. Part of that is doing your part to avoid spreading the disease, and not whining about having to wear a mask or stay indoors. Do unto others as you want them to do unto you. Oh and drop the whole vitamin quackery that's dangerous.
 
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