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Impeachment drama has interesting results

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by hislegacy, Feb 20, 2020.

  1. hislegacy

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  2. tulc

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    Actually, what it got was someone claiming there were 1,000,000 new supporters. Until there's proof of that all it is is a claim being made (supposedly) by one person and being reported by the Moonie's newspaper. :)
    tulc(see the difference?) :wave:
     
  3. Ricky M

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    The democrats spent decades dumbing down America. Too bad they forgot to exclude themselves from that. They should have known the effort would fail in the senate, and that acquittal would only embolden Trump and his supporters.

    There's no way he's losing now.
     
  4. hislegacy

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    it was also referenced by a source who spoke on condition of anonymity.
     
  5. tulc

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    tulc(is going to have to find more coffee soon) :coffee:
     
  6. com7fy8

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    Yes; so I looked this up, using Google to search for a New York Times report about if the impeachment is helping Donald to get new donors.

    One New York Times article says both parties are using the impeachment to raise funds.

    Anyone here can search in Google with something like "Trump helped impeachment donors", and also enter a specific big name paper to get what that paper is reporting about this.

    A difference, though, can be between new donors . . . and new voters. Donors could be ones who already favor Donald. There are many evangelicals who already are hard-line to vote for him, but they may not have given.

    Even so, the Times says he has gone after people he did not make a point of reaching to, in his first campaign. So, I think it can be likely he has made more effort, this time, and it is paying off.

    During the first campaign, he used a lot of his own money. This time, the Republican Party is going after donors. So, he won even while not going after financially smaller people.

    By the way, Tulc, another difference is now already the Republican Party is backing Donald. During Donald's first run, he was competing with various other candidates; not this time. This time, he already has the Republican Party working with him. I would say this is a difference to see.

    Now, Mayor Bloomberg is interesting > if I have been informed correctly and understand right > he has used his fortune to help various charities. And it seems this is much more than what Donald has done with his money. Mayor Bloomberg, also served as mayor of New York City, being paid by the city a dollar a year, and he paid his travel expenses. And it might be he even paid for certain things to better New York. He had pet projects he financed, himself, it seems from reporting I read in the Business Insider.

    By the way, Donald promised he would not take a salary for serving as President. I have yet to be told if he kept that promise. But Mayor Bloomberg has already served for a dollar a year.

    Mayor Bloomberg had what would have maybe been a pork project, if he had used tax money for it > an aquarium in his office, or something like that > which cost thousands of dollars to keep up, daily, but with his own money. But his charity giving has been in the billions, if I remember correctly. And certain items have been in education, which I can see can be teaching to fish instead of handing out fish.

    And Mayor Bloomberg has mainly used his own money to campaign, it seems from what I remember > don't be afraid to Google and check what I seem to remember!!!! :)

    But may be his self support financially can help to keep the little donors inactive so they might not feel they are bonded with him, and are unneeded.

    So, by depending on their own money, both candidates may have kept themselves distant from voters who need to give so they feel invested in and needed by a candidate . . . so then they vote.

    So, maybe Donald is getting "smarter". I think he already knows how simply keeping attention to himself helps to keep people aware of him enough so they feel they know him. And so they are not likely to vote for someone else they are not familiar with. So, now, by getting financial attention . . . by activating donors . . . Donald has yet more of a way to keep attention to himself, so in a way voters don't know of anyone else to vote for.

    And, for a while now, I have not been noticing him showing a lot of criticizing and badmouthing. He to me has seemed to come on more mild, but speaking clearly. This could be making him seem more sensible. And it is possible the Republican Party has been having a little talk with him.

    During his "Apprentice" TV thing, he seemed much more communicative and smart about business and handling people. So, I was surprised he came on like he did during debating with Hillary. I am interested to see how he does things now. His "Apprentice" manner, to me, seemed much more authoritative and even presidential so I thought he could win the American presidency, with all the publicity he had . . . attention.

    Maybe they told him to tone it down, and maybe if this is so, he likes it . . . after all, since this is how he behaved during "Apprentice". He seemed to enjoy that.

    But Mayor Bloomberg has actually admitted he has been wrong in how he has done certain things in the past.

    Has Donald openly and plainly pointed out how he has been wrong????

    People have made an effort to discredit Mayor Bloomberg, about past things. If those things really are past > Jesus expects us to forgive, right? And Jesus even forgave people, right while they were still crucifying Him. So, I would be prayerful and careful about judging anyone by his or her past . . . especially in case a person has received correction.

    I am curious if the Republican Party strategy people have been somehow correcting Donald's approach.

    God wants us to pray for all > 1 Timothy 2:1-4. Prayer "for" means with love and hope "for" > loves "hopes all things" > in 1 Corinthians 13:7. My temptation is to make fun of ones who so boast they will win, but they turn out to be losers. But Jesus wants us to love and care for every one, like He did on the cross.
     
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  7. paul1149

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    I have no doubt that both sides raised money on the impeachment gambit. How much on each side, I don't know, but it is plausible that Trump did better, considering his rising poll numbers since it began, even including the many polls that, unjustifiably in my view, weigh Democrats more heavily than Republicans, when that no longer reflects the party affiliations of the general population.
     
  8. The Barbarian

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    Remember for Trump's people, the claim is just as good as if it were true.
     
  9. hislegacy

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    ***Observation*** That could be said of every accustion against the President over the last four years.
     
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  11. The Barbarian

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    Not according to Mueller, and numerous witnesses, documents, etc. This is the first president who is likely to be indicted the day after he leaves office.
     
  12. The Barbarian

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  13. hislegacy

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    According to Mueller, NO AMERICAN, had any coordination with Russia to interfere or influence the election.

    Mueller said that

    If I was Russia and I wanted to harm Trump, I would do things that look like I am supporting him because it would trigger exactly what is happening today in the media.

    Schiff seems to almost be salivating over it. The Russian collusion narrative continues and it isn’t designed to help Trump.
     
  14. The Barbarian

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    No, he didn't say that. He said there was insufficient evidence to conclude that Donald Trump had coordinated with Russia to influence the election. He didn't clear Trump of that. However, as I said, he documented several attempts by Trump to obstruct, each of which is a felony. As you might know, Trump can't be indicted for those crimes until he leaves office. Likewise Trump's documented attempt to coerce Ukraine into helping him against a political rival, by withholding congressionally-mandated aid, is a crime. His own agency has ruled that it was illegal.

    The fact that Trump had a hissy fit when his intelligence chief told the intelligence committee (as he is required to do by law) that Russia is again seeking to interfere in the upcoming election to help Trump get re-elected is more telling. As is Trump's firing of the that person, and replacing him with a follower who has no capability in intelligence, but can be counted on be loyal to Trump rather than to America.

    The intelligence community's top election security official delivered a briefing to lawmakers last week warning them that the intelligence community believes Russia is already taking steps to interfere in the 2020 election with the goal of helping President Donald Trump win, three sources familiar with the matter tell CNN.
    Last week's briefing, led by election security official Shelby Pierson and first reported by The New York Times, addressed the overall picture of Russia's efforts, including hacking, weaponizing social media and attacks on election infrastructure, one of the sources said.
    The briefers said Russia does favor Trump, but that helping Trump wasn't the only thing they were trying to do as it was also designed to raise questions about the integrity of the elections process, the source added.
    Trump became irate in a meeting with outgoing acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire last week for allowing the information about Russia's meddling efforts to be included in the briefing, a White House official said.

    Russia is looking to help Trump win in 2020, election security official told lawmakers - CNNPolitics

    Trump, when he's in trouble, reflexively strikes out at people, and tries to cover everything up. It's why he's continuing of lose support in the swing states he'll need to avoid being indicted in November.



     
  15. hislegacy

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    Yes he did. It was in his report.
     
  16. hislegacy

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    Over two years, 35,000,000.00 spent, 19 attorneys, 40 FBI special agents, 500 witnesses, over 1,000,000 pages of documents, hundreds of search warrants, thousands of witnesses and they found, nothing they could charge him with.

    And people still believe he is guilty. Amazing.
     
  17. The Barbarian

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    Nope...

    Nope...

    "the Office's investigation uncovered evidence of numerous links (i.e., contacts) between Trump Campaign officials and individuals having or claiming to have ties to the Russian government. The Office evaluated the contacts under several sets of federal laws, including conspiracy laws and statutes governing foreign agents who operate in the United States. After considering the available evidence, the Office did not pursue charges under these statutes against any of the individuals discussed in Section IV above – with the exception of FARA charges against Paul Manafort and Richard Gates based on their activities on behalf of Ukraine.... several U.S. persons connected to the Campaign made false statements about those contacts and took other steps to obstruct the Office's investigation and those of Congress. This Office has therefore charged some of those individuals with making false statements and obstructing justice."
    Mueller Report, vol. 1 p.80

    On the facts here, the government would unlikely be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the June 9 meeting participants had general knowledge that their conduct was unlawful.
    ...
    While the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign, the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges. Among other things, the evidence was not sufficient to charge any Campaign official as an unregistered agent of the Russian government or other Russian principal. And our evidence about the June 9, 2016 meeting [at Trump Tower between Trump campaign officials and a Russian lawyer] and WikiLeaks’s releases of hacked materials was not sufficient to charge a criminal campaign-finance violation. Further, the evidence was not sufficient to charge that any member of the Trump Campaign conspired with representatives of the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election.
    ...

    The Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated—including some associated with the Trump Campaign—deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records. In such cases, the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts. Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identified gaps, the Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report.
    Ibid

    So it didn't clear anyone at all; it merely notes that there was insufficient evidence and (possibly because much of the evidence was destroyed) that other evidence might have changed that conclusion.
     
  18. The Barbarian

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    He publicly asked the Russians to help him. Six of his campaign officials have been convicted of lying or obstructing justice in the matter and he's been found to have several times attempted to obstruct the investigation. He dictated a memo trying to cover up a meeting of his people in Trump tower, ostensibly to "get dirt" on Hillary Clinton.

    Go figure. :scratch:
     
  19. hislegacy

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    Good grief - it was a sarcastic swipe at Hillary for deleting 33,000 emails - the audience laughed. No one took it seriously, well no one without a plan to remove him before he won.

    You need to check those 'facts' - not one was convicted for anything to do with the campaign, not one - the closest was Flynn and that happened after the election and looks like it's blowing up in their faces.


    Found? Certainly not found guilty - They impeached the President on hearsay evidence and not ONE time brought up obstruction - golly gee, I wonder why?

    Which his son gave 30 hours of testimony and examination over a two hour meeting that ended when they found out it was not about adoption.


    Go figure. :scratch:
     
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