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Featured Impact of Australian vaccine laws on my life in past four years

Discussion in 'Requests for Christian Advice' started by Moonlight sonata, Aug 5, 2020.

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  1. Moonlight sonata

    Moonlight sonata New Member

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    I’m living in Australia and there are more and more vaccine mandates and impositions on our freedoms being introduced.. they took away our religious and conscientious exemptions about three years ago and made vaccines compulsory for attending child care. I couldn’t use child care for ages and had to rely on my elderly parents for help while I worked. No church leader even seemed to bat an eyelid about these changes, and a statement came out from the government saying they had consulted with all denominational leaders and that there is no reason why Christians should not take vaccines. So they barred unvaxed children from day care and early education programs, and took away family tax benefit also from families of unvaxed kids. Now since coronavirus, you also cannot visit your elderly relatives in aged care without having a flu shot, nor enter an aged care facility for any reason without the shot. Was discussing this as a consideration with my family yesterday given that my grandma is unwell and dying and is looking at increased need for care. My family who are not Christians would willingly take a vaccine to stay in contact with her in the nursing home. I sadly can’t see my grandma anyway as she is in another state and borders are closed now, but I told my parents that I am praying they would never require nursing care because of these mandates.
    The issue is.. when my child was a baby, I thoroughly researched vaccines (using my knowledge of how to evaluate medical research from university). I read EVERY single piece of vaccine research I could get my hands on, committing myself to reading research daily, across a space of two and a half years. I wanted to make the right decision by my child because I had read about foetal cells and GMO’s and heavy metals and other toxic ingredients being present in vaccines.. I wanted to get to the truth of the matter and find out if this was truly the case because, being a Mother, you want to do the absolute best by your child. I resisted my child’s vaccines for 8 years but finally gave into my husband because it was causing so much conflict and turmoil in my marriage.. and now I have... a vaccine damaged child.
    The things I learned during those two years of researching about vaccines made me feel unable to use those medicines without a severe conflict with my conscience.. I backslid and gave into my husband and am now reaping the consequences.. I then repented again and resolved never to go near those ‘medicines’ again and dug my heels in again and never finished the schedule for my child. I got a bit confused thinking maybe I should be in obedience to my husband (who is not Christian) on the issue, but I believe I should have been obedient to my conscience and resolved to remain that way. I also recently had to quit my employment in aged care because of the new vaccine mandates.
    Anyway, my family knows my stance on vaccines and are upset that I would feel unable to compromise my conscience to visit them in a nursing home if they needed it... I felt so mean having this discussion with them.
    I don’t even know how to deal with this issue... I cannot in good conscience accept such ‘medicine’ knowing what I learned about it. and the arguments by some that abortions were a one off situation that happened years ago and are no longer required for vaccine manufacturing is not even true. Even the argument by some that it’s ok because no new abortions are needed to make the medicines didn’t even sit well with my conscience. I do not want to be complicit with murder in any way, shape or form. Nor do I want to inject my self or family with genetically modified ingredients, which I am certain is not in the will of God. And the conflicts of interest, and absolute lack of care and or concern of the industry about long term side effects of vaccines also riles me. At the end of the day, vaccines are considered ‘safe and effective’ if they produce an ‘antibody response.’ That is all they care about. Which is why they will likely rush through a completely experimental never before used on humans ‘rna’ coronavirus vaccine.. you can’t determine safety of a completely new scientific approach to vaccines within six months. If you read the current news articles, their only concern is about producing a good ‘antibody response.’
    This issue has affected my life on so many levels. And I am so afraid for the future and how it will impact my family and potentially tear it apart should a CV vaccine be made mandatory... it already nearly caused my husband to divorce me, damaged my child, caused loss of my employment, and sadness to my family who do not understand where I am coming from. I also suffer my own ongoing health issues from mandated vaccines I had to take during my initial health sciences degree (I believe from one particular one that was a GMO one.. my health was never the same after that). . This medicine in my opinion is clearly NOT in line with the will of God.. if it can do that much damage to my life.. it is clearly not a good thing!
     
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  2. Thera

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    I think it will only get harder. As it says in the bible, those who don't take the Mark of the Beast will not be able to buy or sell. I'm not sure if vaccines are the Mark of the Beast yet, but they're getting awfully close.

    Sorry to hear about your vaccine-damaged child.

    I would resist so far as you are able, and take it to the Lord in prayer. Vaccines clearly come with serious risks (hence the legal disclaimers and compensation funds), but most of the world is under a strong delusion and will mock you for pointing out the obvious.
     
  3. Moonlight sonata

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    Thanks Thera... I’m also not sure about whether it will be the mark.. I’m just shocked that it’s not even being talked about in Christian communities here, as far as I’m aware. I wrote to so many different church leaders and denominations on the issue, and got only one reply telling me to basically get lost! Very well known Christian organisations here have consistently ignored my attempts to communicate with them about this issue and even blocked me from their Facebook page when I asked them if they would also make a stand against abortions that are required for the manufacturing of vaccines (a comment I made on their post opposing abortion). It’s just so sad! Why can’t people see how this is a major issue of freedom..
    I do know and have experienced the mocking.. but these days, I proclaim openly that I am against it because of how it’s ruined my life, and really don’t care about who mocks me.
    Sadly, Australia doesn’t even have a compensation fund. They make vaccines compulsory and then expect the families to pick up the pieces when it all goes pear shaped.
     
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  4. Moonlight sonata

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    And if there are any Australian Christians around that understand the seriousness of this issue and it’s impact on human rights and freedoms, I would really be very grateful to connect with you. Thanks!
     
  5. com7fy8

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    "And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3:13)

    So, while we obey God, no one and nothing can harm us. But others are capable of hurting themselves, in their opposition to us. You do not control how others react.

    So, if God has satisfied and guided you to do what you do, thank Him.

    I have been told there are alternate vaccines which do not have certain items which are an issue for certain people. But I understand there likely are vaccines without alternates.

    But ones likely consider that there would be more kids damaged by certain diseases, than the number damaged by a vaccine.

    So, what specifically happened with your child? How does this compare with being crippled and killed by polio, for one example? If thousands of children were now crippled by polio because of not having a vaccine, would this be ok with you? Or, do you find with your research that there is some sort of hoax in that??

    In any case, our Heavenly Father guides us according to all He knows is really true. And His peace personally satisfies us while we obey Him in His peace >

    "And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

    "In everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you." (1 Thessalonians 5:18)

    "He who loves his life will lose it," Jesus says in John 12:25. A lot of loss is connected with how people have loved their lives and made certain people their love idols > "If you love those who love you, what reward have you?" Jesus says in Matthew 5:46.

    So, of course, if you have lived and loved the way Jesus means, Jesus is clear how this evil world will hate us and even our own families will betray and reject us. And this world can arrange to attack our obedience to Jesus, and how we depend first on God. So, do what God blesses you to do in sharing with Him in His peace. And in this peace we have our Creator's own creativity for how to love each and every person.
     
  6. Moonlight sonata

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    Thanks.. My child was developing normally for 8 years before the vaccines, and developed learning difficulties and ADHD type symptoms following the vaccines. That’s the thing.. Apparently the science is ‘settled’ and vaccines do not cause developmental problems, but I know for a fact my child is vaccine damaged.. you don’t go developing according to typical norms and achieving above average grades for the first 4 years of your schooling life and then all of a sudden develop a learning difficulty and attention disorder. That’s not how developmental disorders work.. as I know from having worked in the field for years.
    I don’t agree with using any form of medicine that relies on the use of aborted foetal cells or genetically modified ingredients, for any reason whatsoever.. it’s just not ok, no matter how much people try to justify and reason it away..
     
  7. Jonathan Walkerin

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    You are all over the place.

    Vaccines are proven medical treatment with vastly more benefits than downsides.

    You just mix some many things in your post that it is just about incomprehensible.

    You studied two years. You waited 6 years. You are vaccine damage your child is vaccine damaged. Your health is lost Your marriage is bunkers. Church people think you are basically a loonie.

    Even if both you and the kid got some side effects from vaccines which is about as improbable as winning a lottery
    that doesn’t mean vaccines are worse than not vaccinating people.

    Frankly it sounds like you are having lots of mental stress going on that have nothing to do with vaccines and everything to do with your obsession about them.

    Have you considered getting professional counseling from psychiatric professionals before it is too late ?

    Also how were you and your child affected negatively by vaccines physically and have you gotten a real medical opinion on that effect or is it all just anecdotal experience from you ?
     
  8. Moonlight sonata

    Moonlight sonata New Member

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    Jonathon your response is not even worth the energy of a reply. Thanks for your empathy and compassion.
     
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    No problem. Not everything can be worked out with empathy and compassion. Some times reason is needed.
     
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    Yes, and very sad that many Christians will not even consider with reason the possibility that vaccines may not be all that they have been made out to be.. and may very well be against the will of God.. by the fact of their reliance on murdered babies and modification of God’s creation, for their putrid production. There’s a page on Facebook of real life stories of thousands of babies who died right after receiving their vaccines. You can see the photos of their beautiful little faces healthy and shining right before their vaccines and read their family’s stories of how vaccines took away their children. Is the loss of these baby’s lives ok in the name of ‘herd immunity’, is it justified?
     
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  11. Jonathan Walkerin

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    Are you also opposed fixing faulty genes in humans when curing hereditary diseases ?
     
  12. Moonlight sonata

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    I don’t know anything about that science, but I highly doubt I would want to take it myself. Sounds like playing God to me..
     
  13. Jonathan Walkerin

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    Hmm right. So briefly. Hereditary diseases are caused by our genes having a flaw in them that on certain conditions will also transfer to our offspring.

    Using various mechanics scientist can or at least in near future are able to fix those gene flaws.

    It is called gene therapy.

    How does gene therapy work?

    So while we are basically modifying human genome what they are actually doing is just repairing the genes that cause the disease.

    Does that sound like something you are theologically ok with ?

    Of course that technology can be used in the future for other things as well, but that is rather outside of this discussion.
     
  14. Radagast

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    That is correct.

    It is true that some vaccines are made from human cells, and those human cells were obtained from a baby aborted more than 50 years ago.

    Most theologians agree that that should be no obstacle to vaccination.

    However, the flu vaccine is not made from human cells, it is made from chicken eggs.

    The standard vaccines are also all extremely safe.
     
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    Vaccines, good.

    A child/anyone dying or getting ill because they didn't receive vaccine, bad, very bad.
     
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    many childhood diseases keep coming back, especially in Australia that has had some sever outbreaks in the antivax comunities, killing or hurting children, these arn't minor things, even those that don't kill can have life long problems such as measels may cause learning disabilities, and resets your immune system, among other issues.
     
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    Radagast, you are incorrect that those abortions occurred 50 years ago.. this is a common argument of Christians and others who support vaccines to justify their use and acceptance of them, and it is founded on faulty information.. not that that would justify it in my mind anyhow! I would point people to the Children of God for life website and Dr Theresa Deisher who has done a lot of research into this area, and especially looking at foetal cells in vaccines, and whether it’s possible that even foreign DNA may be causing an increase in children identifying as transgender (when girls are injected with foreign DNA from aborted baby boys and vice versa). As I understand it, she has looked at and found how this foreign DNA does remain in the final product. As I also understand it, the team over at children of God for life have also discussed the issue of senescence and the hayflick limit.. which means that these abortal cells do not replicate infinitely as previously assumed.. which is why new abortions and new cells have been required recently, and will be needed into the future, the WALVAX foetal cell line being a new cell line taken from only just very recently in year 2015. All of this information can be found over at the children of God for life website.

    How is it justifiable to take even just one life in order to preserve another or even many???
    The fact is that it is not justifiable, and no amount of arguing from uninformed people will change my mind on this.
     
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    I know that the flu vaccine is one that is not using abortive cells, but with the damage vaccines have done to my life.. I no longer believe they are God’s will for my life, nor do I agree with bowing down to the “god” of science just because my government says I must.. this has become an idol in people’s lives.. I mean, even the fact that people think we can’t go back to “normal” until we have a vaccine.. people are waiting on it like it’s the saviour of humanity..
     
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    As for gene therapy which you have pointed out Jonathon.. as I said previously, sounds like playing God to me. And as I also said, people have turned “science” into an idol.
     
  20. loveofourlord

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    Thats nonsense, DNA doesn't magically become part of you by being in your body, it fails to understand basic science, and just scaremongering.
     
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