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I'm wondering: What exactly is a Fundamentalist Christian?

Discussion in 'Fundamentalist Christians' started by Angelquill, Jul 28, 2014.

  1. Angelquill

    Angelquill Bard of Angels


    Fair enough. So, could you explain these verses to me?

    Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    How could hell be the lake of fire, if it is also cast into the lake of fire? And what happens to death in there?

    Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
    So, here God is very clearly telling us what the final destination of the lost will be.

    Elsewhere in the bible, we are told that "the soul that sinneth, it shall die."

    The one that intrigues me is this:

    Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
    Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
    Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
    Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord

    Here again, we are clearly told that the wages of sin is death.
    But here's the thing...the gift of God is eternal life.
    Wait...don't we all already have eternal life? Isn't the point where I'll spend my eternal life?

    Let's say you gave your kid a shiny new car when he went off to college. Now, his problem is that he can't afford a private parking place for it, and the public parking provided is full of theives who would strip his new car in an instant. So, you go out and buy him another car, right?
    In the same way, if you areadly have eternal life, why would God give you another eternal life? Seems a bit redundant to me. I can only conclude that this is the gift that Jesus went to the cross to obtain for us.

    Here's the thing...why would God want to keep these wicked folks alive and in torment throughout all eternity? What purpose could that serve? Those in Heaven do not need the lesson they might have provided...besides, God has promised to wipe all tears from their eyes. And it is now too late for the condemned to learn anything from their fate. The opportunity to repent and accept the Lord has now passed. Surely it isn't that God or His angels get some kind of sadistic thrill from the whole nasty business...

    And here's my final argument...the thing that used to keep me awake at night. If Jesus paid my debt of sin in full...then does that mean that, somewhere, somehow, He is still twisting in agony in the flames????
    If that is the punishment for sin, then He must be. Or else, we have been lied to.
    I just cannot believe that....
  2. faroukfarouk

    faroukfarouk Fading curmudgeon

    There was a series of papers written about 80 or 90 years ago called 'The Fundamentals'.

    This immediately was where the name came from.
  3. musicalpilgrim

    musicalpilgrim pilgrim on the sacred music pathway Supporter Angels Team

    United Kingdom

    What about authority that comes from age and experience?

    I am female, I know a lot about sacred music having been trained, does that training and experience count for nothing when deciding who does what with the music in church? Can that authority not be given to a competent person no matter what gender?

    Could there can be a simplistic attitude here that isn't quite what scripture intended?
  4. cubanito

    cubanito Well-Known Member

    This thread has now become a tangle and I am quite to blame for it. We are now discussing particulars, to which there'll be no end, rather than the OP of defining what is a fundamentalist.

    It does not matter what any opinion is based on age, experience, ability or anything else is. It only matters what the Bible says. Now, there certainly is room for different understanding of what the Bible means. I gave the example credobaptism (baptizing only after a credible profession of faith) or paedobaptism (baptizing infants0 as an example where the Bible is NOT clear and yet most denominations make dogmatic stands.

    So, I have only interest in what the meaning of the Bible is in regards to women having authority in the Church over men. Whether that is a a "good idea" or not based on current societal ideas means nothing to me. That is decidedly simplistic, single-minded and foolishness to the world; as it SHOULD be.

    There is LEGITIMATE debate about what the Bible means on various topics, including the role of women in the Church, and the endlessness of suffering in Hell; but those are particular topics.

    I am going to shut up for now on those topics in this thread. I am going to look at my time and consider wether I want to engage in those debates. If I do, I will start a separate thread for each topic. For now I cede the floor.

  5. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

    At the risk of being nit-picked...again, here is what Fundamentalists said in/around 1915:

    The Fundamentals: A Testimony to the Truth, Book III, Theology, Chapter 12, The Doctrines that Must be Emphasized in Successful Evangelism, By Evangelist L.W. Munhall, M.A., D.D

    99 years ago, this is what Fundamentaliists said they believed in.

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2014
  6. VCViking

    VCViking Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel...

    Women can serve in the church but not as leaders or Pastors, etc. The Scriptures are quite clear on this.

    The belief hell is not eternal punishment is heresy. Again, Scipture is quite clear on this.
  7. VCViking

    VCViking Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel...


  8. VCViking

    VCViking Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel...


  9. Jack Koons

    Jack Koons Guest

    You must understand that when you say something properly, or something that is not in need of correction, I will not “nit-pick” what you say. This is a perfect example. Well said, I am in complete agreement!