I'm seriously losing my faith

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I don't think what your Pastor said means what you imagine. When Jesus confronted the Pharisees he called them lawless and white washed tombs. Clean on the outside and rotten on the inside. These are people that thought they knew righteousness but they never knew Him. They never knew Him because their heart never sought Him. They sought salvation to be sure....but they never sought Him. If God made Himself explicitly known all would seek salvation, but the same amount of people would seek Him as now seek Him. And seeking Him is the only path to salvation, not scientific knowledge of Him.

When you say that homosexuality does not seem wrong you are making a reference claim to an objective morality. Objective means true whether anyone believes it is true or not. If this objective morality exists, then God exists. If objective morality does not exist then God does not exist, neither is anything truly morally wrong. What is right refers to God's nature. He is the paradigm that goodness refers too. A measuring stick is a paradigm of length, to which all physical objects are referenced by. We were created to be imagers of God on earth, we do good when we act according to God's nature but we ourselves are not good as only God is good, He is the "measuring stick" to which goodness refers. There are many moral principles that can be refined logically to either a core moral value that we apprehend a priori or to a physical or mental benefit. For example helping someone in trouble. But it is not the case that all moral principles can be refined logically to a core value we can apprehend.

Lets take the example of the inventor of the automobile. He designed the automobile to serve humans and make their lives better, not drive them into a crowd of people and murder them. When God made us He had a scope in mind for how we should be, and what is outside that scope whether we comprehend it or not, is contrary to His intentions for us, and therefore contrary to His nature. Because God is the paradigm that goodness refers to what is outside His nature is not good.

Faith that leads to salvation is trusting in Jesus's promise to save you. Being lawful does not save. Not failing miserably like all of us privately do each day does not save. Trusting in the promise given to you and me is the faith that leads to salvation.

Luke 18:10-14 is my favorite parable/
"Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted."
 
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Hello, this is ny first post and I joined this community just because I'm searching desperately for help.

I was raised Christian my whole life and up until a few months ago, I never thought God wasn't real. There were moments in my teenage years when I wouldnt say I was religious but rather than disbelief, it was more of a rebellion against good and righteousness. You could say I was being an angsty, edgy teen. But as I grew, I matured out of it and went into Christianity head on. It didn't last long when I was sitting in Church and I heard my pastor say "a man can go his whole life and never believe in God even though he thinks he's saved." This left me with questions and this is when I actually began to deliberate over the existence of God. For one, how can someone want salvation and not find it? Even if they don't believe, how can they not know they don't believe? How can God allow someone who wants the salvation he so graciously gifted mankind deny someone who is searching? I wondered if maybe that was me. What if I didn't believe and I decided I needed to evaluate my faith with reason and logic. When I did that, I didn't find what I was looking for. I set out to find out what was my natural inclination and it wasn't toward God.

I can say I don't understand why homosexuality is wrong. I just do not get it at all. The ONLY response I've gotten is because God said so. But for the entirety of the Bible, there is usually reason behind the morality. This one doesn't make sense to me. Especially because I am bisexual and I can tell you, Its never been my choice

I've prayed and begged God to open my heart to Jesus and to help me find my faith. I've prayed for signs and answers. I've prayed for understanding. I've prayed that he give me what ever it is that's going to make me believe but lately, it feels like I'm praying to nothing. I can't even bring myself to pray anymore because it's so disheartening.

I'm liberal minded and the way that I see Christian behave goes against what I believe is right. And I was raised around Christians and I don't connect with them on a political or moral level. I also see a lot of Christians as naive and out of touch. I love all of them but I it's difficult for me to feel validated in other christians when I perceive them this way.

Lastly, it all just seems less and less evident out in the world. Between science and society, I don't see how God is fitting in.

Want to know if I can just forget all of this and decide to believe even though that clearly goes against what my pastor said. I need to know what I can do to find my faith. I want to know someone can go their entire lives reading the word and practicing Christianity and have no eternal life to show for it. I've never felt more alone in this universe than I do now.

Please help me

If there weren't some aspects of Christianity that were really and truly challenging to each of us, then I'd say that Christianity is clearly false. But, as you already know I'm sure, Jesus told us that each of us would have to face our sins and the Devil in the world and do our best to stand up in faith. You're right!!!! It ain't easy. And you're right!!! Faith isn't going to seemingly correspond to everything that reason and logic (as they are represented today) seem to imply should be the case for religious belief.

And you said you're bisexual. Well, I know that in light of what the Bible says, that can be a tough reality to face. However, the truth is, we're all social and psychological messes in one form or another. We all need help, and we all need God's mercy and grace in Christ. So, we all have to wake up each day existentially and ask ourselves, "Do I still believe?" "Can I do this?" "God, are you there?" "What's the meaning of all of this?" "Why is it so difficult?"

I'd like to suggest to you that part of the difficulty that you face is the fact that you live in world mainly operated by diabolical, social ideologies. So, the challenges you're facing are not necessarily something you're born with, nor something that is due simply to situations of your own making. Rather, some of this is the scheme at hand in the world which is present for ruining humanity. And it is real and has to be accounted for. Otherwise, if we don't account for it, I don't think we can really say that we think the Bible makes sense. We should expect to be able to raise the blinds on our window, look outside, and "see" some manifestations of evil that Jesus told us ahead of time would be present and which we'd have to face up to as Christians. And it is some of this which is what makes it so hard to live the Christian life and follow God's Will. Acknowledging this also would be, in part, the rational and logical thing to do.

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Hello, this is ny first post and I joined this community just because I'm searching desperately for help.

I was raised Christian my whole life and up until a few months ago, I never thought God wasn't real. There were moments in my teenage years when I wouldnt say I was religious but rather than disbelief, it was more of a rebellion against good and righteousness. You could say I was being an angsty, edgy teen. But as I grew, I matured out of it and went into Christianity head on. It didn't last long when I was sitting in Church and I heard my pastor say "a man can go his whole life and never believe in God even though he thinks he's saved." This left me with questions and this is when I actually began to deliberate over the existence of God. For one, how can someone want salvation and not find it? Even if they don't believe, how can they not know they don't believe? How can God allow someone who wants the salvation he so graciously gifted mankind deny someone who is searching? I wondered if maybe that was me. What if I didn't believe and I decided I needed to evaluate my faith with reason and logic. When I did that, I didn't find what I was looking for. I set out to find out what was my natural inclination and it wasn't toward God.

I can say I don't understand why homosexuality is wrong. I just do not get it at all. The ONLY response I've gotten is because God said so. But for the entirety of the Bible, there is usually reason behind the morality. This one doesn't make sense to me. Especially because I am bisexual and I can tell you, Its never been my choice

I've prayed and begged God to open my heart to Jesus and to help me find my faith. I've prayed for signs and answers. I've prayed for understanding. I've prayed that he give me what ever it is that's going to make me believe but lately, it feels like I'm praying to nothing. I can't even bring myself to pray anymore because it's so disheartening.

I'm liberal minded and the way that I see Christian behave goes against what I believe is right. And I was raised around Christians and I don't connect with them on a political or moral level. I also see a lot of Christians as naive and out of touch. I love all of them but I it's difficult for me to feel validated in other christians when I perceive them this way.

Lastly, it all just seems less and less evident out in the world. Between science and society, I don't see how God is fitting in.

Want to know if I can just forget all of this and decide to believe even though that clearly goes against what my pastor said. I need to know what I can do to find my faith. I want to know someone can go their entire lives reading the word and practicing Christianity and have no eternal life to show for it. I've never felt more alone in this universe than I do now.

Please help me
hi you are the product of your upbringing and go back 50 years and society believed in absolutes and now moral relativism is taught. Everyone wants to be on the side of good so now the values of tolerance, acceptance and equality are taught instead of moral character which includes self control, restraint, modesty, purity and all. So now you are in conflict because you have been raised to see the world with this lens.
In the era when there were moral absolutes some guys warned about the strategy to change the moral values. One of them is a guy named Anton Lavey who is the founder of the church of Satan and here are a few quotes from him about the future that we now see is come to pass.


Anton LaVey was the founder of the Church of Satan. He died on October 30th, 1997, and unfortunately, because God's church is the sleeping giant, LaVey's followers and his agenda to desensitize Christians through the media, lives on.
Here are some astonishing quotes of his;
"The Tv set (is the) Satanic family altar."

"Television is the major mainstream infiltration for the new satanic religion."

"It should be brought out that we not only condone, but encourage all types of what would be called sexual perversity and deviations because we feel that in a few short years it will be established that everyone is a sexual deviant and pervert.

In the Satanic Bible, "LaVey explained that he was moved to establish the Church of Satan when he saw the need for a church that would "recapture man's body and carnal desires as objects of celebration."

"The Church of Satan preaches a religious system that endeavors to overcome the repressions and inhibitions of human instinctual behavior it believes has been fostered by the Judeo-Christian tradition."


There was a book called the naked communist published in 1953 which had a list of 45 goals to collapse America and turn it into a socialist country.
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting inappropriate contentography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
Here is a link to the entire list.
THE 45 COMMUNIST GOALS AS READ INTO THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, 1963 - Watchwoman on the Wall

So with moral relativism you must accept and tolerate things the word of God calls sin. Your thinking was not something you came up with on your own but like a trained parrot you are espousing the values of the NWO and coming kingdom of antichrist. The churches with the rainbow flags and all are part of the promise that in the people would no longer endure sound doctrine. Jesus does love everyone and came to save not condemn. The woman caught in the act of adultery was told by Jesus I do not condemn you go and sin no more.

Gods word and authority are the center of this debate and no one can serve two masters. Your values as a Christian are in conflict with your values as a trained humanist.
Lavey also had one verse that summed up the whole of Satanism which is do what though will is the whole of the law. I am hoping you can see that they have a a form of godliness but it is corrupt. Before 1963 the movies were under a thing called the Hayes code where zero cursing, nudity,graphic sex, gore, was allowed. Hayes understood the power of influence this media would have so they banned showing sex scenes and the promotion of adultery or fornication. They would not allow to show the methods of drug use or have anti heros.

So now we accept such vile language and inappropriate contentographic sex and violence and watch horror movies with serial killers for entertainment. It is obvious now Christ that is not steering the culture. Which master will you serve. REad the Bible and see how God has a much higher standard than Hayes did and all of our freedom and tolerance has left the world in the worst mess ever.
 
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Sometimes it's easy to misunderstand what Pastor's are trying to teach you. The fruit of the Holy Spirit in a changed and altered life will manifest itself in you in God's good time. The assurance of the Holy Spirit will also be given you in time (it was 6 years after water baptism that I was baptized in the Holy Spirit). You were running a good race. These doubts are quite normal. Don't judge God by observing Christians. Remember that Christians are forgiven, but not always perfect. Stay focused on Jesus only. You've asked the Lord for signs and miracles. He's already given you one, the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. Specific signs like jobs, healing, friends etc. will also be given you in God's good time. Just be patient. This may not help, but trust me, all of us have been there. If you get a chance listen to Michael W. Smith's song "Place in this world." That helped me when I had all kind of questions about the Lord. God bless you child and I'll be praying for you :).
Thank you, and although I agree men do not represent God exactly, (although they are supposed to be disciples and examples) I guess it's just hard for me when atheist and the like, in my experience, are "better" people. For example, my dad is a Christian and he's incredibly smart but lately I've noticed how gullible he is. I've also noticed the fact that rather than looking for real answers and evidence, he likes to find answers that suits what he wants to believe. He used to be my go-to for heavy questions and now I can't trust his judgment. My best friend is an atheist and he is seriously the most intelligent person I've ever met. And he s a genuinely good person.
 
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Thank you, and although I agree men do not represent God exactly, (although they are supposed to be disciples and examples) I guess it's just hard for me when atheist and the like, in my experience, are "better" people. For example, my dad is a Christian and he's incredibly smart but lately I've noticed how gullible he is. I've also noticed the fact that rather than looking for real answers and evidence, he likes to find answers that suits what he wants to believe. He used to be my go-to for heavy questions and now I can't trust his judgment. My best friend is an atheist and he is seriously the most intelligent person I've ever met. And he s a genuinely good person.

To add to that, my Dad is notoriously ignorant a spiteful towards marginalized groups. Him and others. And that's sort of where it can get muddy and political, I guess among other things.
 
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Hello, this is ny first post and I joined this community just because I'm searching desperately for help.

I was raised Christian my whole life and up until a few months ago, I never thought God wasn't real. There were moments in my teenage years when I wouldnt say I was religious but rather than disbelief, it was more of a rebellion against good and righteousness. You could say I was being an angsty, edgy teen. But as I grew, I matured out of it and went into Christianity head on. It didn't last long when I was sitting in Church and I heard my pastor say "a man can go his whole life and never believe in God even though he thinks he's saved." This left me with questions and this is when I actually began to deliberate over the existence of God. For one, how can someone want salvation and not find it? Even if they don't believe, how can they not know they don't believe? How can God allow someone who wants the salvation he so graciously gifted mankind deny someone who is searching? I wondered if maybe that was me. What if I didn't believe and I decided I needed to evaluate my faith with reason and logic. When I did that, I didn't find what I was looking for. I set out to find out what was my natural inclination and it wasn't toward God.

I can say I don't understand why homosexuality is wrong. I just do not get it at all. The ONLY response I've gotten is because God said so. But for the entirety of the Bible, there is usually reason behind the morality. This one doesn't make sense to me. Especially because I am bisexual and I can tell you, Its never been my choice

I've prayed and begged God to open my heart to Jesus and to help me find my faith. I've prayed for signs and answers. I've prayed for understanding. I've prayed that he give me what ever it is that's going to make me believe but lately, it feels like I'm praying to nothing. I can't even bring myself to pray anymore because it's so disheartening.

I'm liberal minded and the way that I see Christian behave goes against what I believe is right. And I was raised around Christians and I don't connect with them on a political or moral level. I also see a lot of Christians as naive and out of touch. I love all of them but I it's difficult for me to feel validated in other christians when I perceive them this way.

Lastly, it all just seems less and less evident out in the world. Between science and society, I don't see how God is fitting in.

Want to know if I can just forget all of this and decide to believe even though that clearly goes against what my pastor said. I need to know what I can do to find my faith. I want to know someone can go their entire lives reading the word and practicing Christianity and have no eternal life to show for it. I've never felt more alone in this universe than I do now.

Please help me
Science & religion cannot contradict as science is the knowledge given by God. If you totally feel something clearly contradicting in science & religion then it's something that's added up by men on their own and associate that with God. You should research all religions and then decide what makes sense !!
 
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Hello, this is ny first post and I joined this community just because I'm searching desperately for help.

I was raised Christian my whole life and up until a few months ago, I never thought God wasn't real. There were moments in my teenage years when I wouldnt say I was religious but rather than disbelief, it was more of a rebellion against good and righteousness. You could say I was being an angsty, edgy teen. But as I grew, I matured out of it and went into Christianity head on. It didn't last long when I was sitting in Church and I heard my pastor say "a man can go his whole life and never believe in God even though he thinks he's saved." This left me with questions and this is when I actually began to deliberate over the existence of God. For one, how can someone want salvation and not find it? Even if they don't believe, how can they not know they don't believe? How can God allow someone who wants the salvation he so graciously gifted mankind deny someone who is searching? I wondered if maybe that was me. What if I didn't believe and I decided I needed to evaluate my faith with reason and logic. When I did that, I didn't find what I was looking for. I set out to find out what was my natural inclination and it wasn't toward God.

I can say I don't understand why homosexuality is wrong. I just do not get it at all. The ONLY response I've gotten is because God said so. But for the entirety of the Bible, there is usually reason behind the morality. This one doesn't make sense to me. Especially because I am bisexual and I can tell you, Its never been my choice

I've prayed and begged God to open my heart to Jesus and to help me find my faith. I've prayed for signs and answers. I've prayed for understanding. I've prayed that he give me what ever it is that's going to make me believe but lately, it feels like I'm praying to nothing. I can't even bring myself to pray anymore because it's so disheartening.

I'm liberal minded and the way that I see Christian behave goes against what I believe is right. And I was raised around Christians and I don't connect with them on a political or moral level. I also see a lot of Christians as naive and out of touch. I love all of them but I it's difficult for me to feel validated in other christians when I perceive them this way.

Lastly, it all just seems less and less evident out in the world. Between science and society, I don't see how God is fitting in.

Want to know if I can just forget all of this and decide to believe even though that clearly goes against what my pastor said. I need to know what I can do to find my faith. I want to know someone can go their entire lives reading the word and practicing Christianity and have no eternal life to show for it. I've never felt more alone in this universe than I do now.

Please help me
I was on a similar journey 5 years ago and then someone pointed me to this site. Boy did I have a lot of false beleifs to give up. Especially where I thought internet infidel community had good arguments. I invested a couple hours a week for a year and my false beliefs went away.

Www.reasonableFaith.com
 
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Thank you, and although I agree men do not represent God exactly, (although they are supposed to be disciples and examples) I guess it's just hard for me when atheist and the like, in my experience, are "better" people. For example, my dad is a Christian and he's incredibly smart but lately I've noticed how gullible he is. I've also noticed the fact that rather than looking for real answers and evidence, he likes to find answers that suits what he wants to believe. He used to be my go-to for heavy questions and now I can't trust his judgment. My best friend is an atheist and he is seriously the most intelligent person I've ever met. And he s a genuinely good person.
No one said Christians are particularly smart or smarter than anyone else. It should be spiritual things you look at, not intelligence.

Were the other disciples, besides maybe Paul particularly intelligent?

I’d also say some people may see us as gullible when we try to apply some of the things Jesus commanded us to do. For instance, to turn the other cheek and forgive. When asked, ‘How many times must I forgive’? Jesus said ‘7 times 70’.

That’s a lot and may seem foolish to those who do not follow God.
 
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There is always hope with God. If you do go through trials know that they are for your benefit (even if you can see no benefit in them. I'm struggling with holding on to that at the moment.) and that God is with you the entire way through that trial. No matter what happens to you or around you He will never stop loving you and He will be there. Even when you can't see Him or feel Him he is there. I know that whilst I go through my trials in life-- and trust me, there have been many and one I'm currently going through right now-- the knowledge that God does love me is what I hold onto; that and the little things that do make me smile or do bring me happiness.

You can also do some Christian reading outside of the Bible as it might help and broadening your thinking even. Just be careful which books you choose. There are many CF members that can direct you to some good books. My recommendations that really helped "wake my faith back up" so to speak are Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis and The Case For Christ by Lee Strobel. :)

Two excellent articles by Dr. John R Rice:
1. "What Must I Do to Be Saved?"
2. "How to Come to Jesus"

They can be found online.
 
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Hello, this is ny first post and I joined this community just because I'm searching desperately for help.

I was raised Christian my whole life and up until a few months ago, I never thought God wasn't real. There were moments in my teenage years when I wouldnt say I was religious but rather than disbelief, it was more of a rebellion against good and righteousness. You could say I was being an angsty, edgy teen. But as I grew, I matured out of it and went into Christianity head on. It didn't last long when I was sitting in Church and I heard my pastor say "a man can go his whole life and never believe in God even though he thinks he's saved." This left me with questions and this is when I actually began to deliberate over the existence of God. For one, how can someone want salvation and not find it? Even if they don't believe, how can they not know they don't believe? How can God allow someone who wants the salvation he so graciously gifted mankind deny someone who is searching? I wondered if maybe that was me. What if I didn't believe and I decided I needed to evaluate my faith with reason and logic. When I did that, I didn't find what I was looking for. I set out to find out what was my natural inclination and it wasn't toward God.

I can say I don't understand why homosexuality is wrong. I just do not get it at all. The ONLY response I've gotten is because God said so. But for the entirety of the Bible, there is usually reason behind the morality. This one doesn't make sense to me. Especially because I am bisexual and I can tell you, Its never been my choice

I've prayed and begged God to open my heart to Jesus and to help me find my faith. I've prayed for signs and answers. I've prayed for understanding. I've prayed that he give me what ever it is that's going to make me believe but lately, it feels like I'm praying to nothing. I can't even bring myself to pray anymore because it's so disheartening.

I'm liberal minded and the way that I see Christian behave goes against what I believe is right. And I was raised around Christians and I don't connect with them on a political or moral level. I also see a lot of Christians as naive and out of touch. I love all of them but I it's difficult for me to feel validated in other christians when I perceive them this way.

Lastly, it all just seems less and less evident out in the world. Between science and society, I don't see how God is fitting in.

Want to know if I can just forget all of this and decide to believe even though that clearly goes against what my pastor said. I need to know what I can do to find my faith. I want to know someone can go their entire lives reading the word and practicing Christianity and have no eternal life to show for it. I've never felt more alone in this universe than I do now.

Please help me

Have you read "Heaven is For Real" or seen the movie yet?

I both read the book, both versions... and saw the movie. It is profoundly inspiring and can probably answer some of your doubts.

This also may help:


God's many plans for the Gay community???????


.near-death.com/andreason.html#a11

What about sexually diverse people?

If this world was to ever find out just a small amount of what sexually diverse (gay) people are here to do on this planet, there would never be one single wisecrack or hurtful remark made ever again. Instead there would be great respect! People who speak disrespectful things about people of this orientation ... enact judgment, and do so from a place of unenlightenment, insecurity, ego and socially induced prejudice. Some may use mistranslated scriptures taught to them, not by the Holy Spirit ... but by fear-filled human beings. Many will choose to sustain a Divinely unsupported satanic hate-based rage against these children of God, rather than using Love to bring understanding and healing between both peoples. Christ said, THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT IS THAT WE ARE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER! When people sling condemnation, judgment and bitterness at others, they are not practicing the great commandment. They are allowing their Souls to fall into darkness.
 
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