I'm afraid...

Caty · Jul 11, 2009

I don't want to sound disrespectful and I know that you all are only wanting whats best for me. But its hard for me to trust you all, because to me its only opinions and I fear that its just you all saying these things about God and maybe thats not how he feels about me. I'm sorry. But this is really stressing me.

Caty · Jul 11, 2009

But I don't want you all to think that what you are doing is useless cause it has helped me. thank you.

Supplanter · Jul 11, 2009

Well, as Jay said, you have to get grounded in the Word for yourself to test what is true.

Jayangel81 · Jul 11, 2009

I don't want to sound disrespectful and I know that you all are only wanting whats best for me. But its hard for me to trust you all, because to me its only opinions and I fear that its just you all saying these things about God and maybe thats not how he feels about me. I'm sorry. But this is really stressing me.

People here are not speaking jus what they think, they are speaking things that come straight from the Word of God.

Supplanter said:
Well, as Jay said, you have to get grounded in the Word for yourself to test what is true.

missjasmine · Jul 11, 2009

The unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Ghost. In other words, the sin is when you feel God speaking in your heart to come to Him and you refuse over and over and over, then God will turn you over to a reprobate mind and hardness of the heart. THAT is blaspheming the Holy Ghost. The good news is once you are saved, it's pretty much impossible to commit this sin =]

gratefulgrace · Jul 11, 2009

just checking in caty i have been and still am on holiday in mexico so getting to internet to post is a problem. Just want you to know that i am still praying for you. gg

Caty · Jul 11, 2009

gratefulgrace said:
just checking in caty i have been and still am on holiday in mexico so getting to internet to post is a problem. Just want you to know that i am still praying for you. gg

thanks so much.

neon_tiger · Jul 11, 2009

I know exactly what you're going through, Caty. I felt all of the same depressing thoughts as you; that God would forsake me for thinking these thoughts and that I would go to hell for the unwanted thoughts, that I was totally unforgivable and not worthy of being forgiven. I even resorted to physical pain to distract from these thoughts.

You have to realize that these thoughts aren't of your own. You don't want these thoughts and they're not of your heart. Religious OCD is a disorder, and you can overcome it. You have to blame this on your OCD. Don't put this horrible blame on yourself. Once you do that, it becomes so much better and easier to deal with.

Whenever you have one of these bad thoughts, you have to tell yourself, "This is just my OCD." Or something along those lines. When you do this, you take away the importance you've been putting on these thoughts. Just brushing them off as though they're nothing, telling yourself that they're nothing, will eventually make it so in your mind. I hardly ever have OCD thoughts anymore concerning my religion, and you can get to this point as well.

Like everyone else in this thread said, God loves you unconditionally, you have not committed the unpardonable sin, and pray to God to help you through this.

Caty · Jul 11, 2009

missjasmine said:
The unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Ghost. In other words, the sin is when you feel God speaking in your heart to come to Him and you refuse over and over and over, then God will turn you over to a reprobate mind and hardness of the heart. THAT is blaspheming the Holy Ghost. The good news is once you are saved, it's pretty much impossible to commit this sin =]

see there are many different teachings about that scripture. and I dont believe that one. thanks for trying to help, i wish i could believe that one. but i believe it only takes one act of speaking to do so.

Caty · Jul 11, 2009

neon_tiger said:
I know exactly what you're going through, Caty. I felt all of the same depressing thoughts as you; that God would forsake me for thinking these thoughts and that I would go to hell for the unwanted thoughts, that I was totally unforgivable and not worthy of being forgiven. I even resorted to physical pain to distract from these thoughts.

You have to realize that these thoughts aren't of your own. You don't want these thoughts and they're not of your heart. Religious OCD is a disorder, and you can overcome it. You have to blame this on your OCD. Don't put this horrible blame on yourself. Once you do that, it becomes so much better and easier to deal with.

Whenever you have one of these bad thoughts, you have to tell yourself, "This is just my OCD." Or something along those lines. When you do this, you take away the importance you've been putting on these thoughts. Just brushing them off as though they're nothing, telling yourself that they're nothing, will eventually make it so in your mind. I hardly ever have OCD thoughts anymore concerning my religion, and you can get to this point as well.

Like everyone else in this thread said, God loves you unconditionally, you have not committed the unpardonable sin, and pray to God to help you through this.

but see I have spoke some of these thoughts ( & i dont know if it was itentional) and ive also had some intentional thoughts reguarding the Spirit, cause I get so mad at this (feeling that God has abandon me)

Jayangel81 · Jul 11, 2009

Caty said:
see there are many different teachings about that scripture. and I dont believe that one. thanks for trying to help, i wish i could believe that one. but i believe it only takes one act of speaking to do so.

Than the best thing we can all do is continue to pray for you, that God will reveal the truth to you

ps. there arent many interpretations of this scripture.

Caty · Jul 11, 2009

mhm.

1. that it lies with in just speaking...intentional & accidental are both out there.
2. that it is to reject Jesus all of your life.
3. it doesn't exist anymore.
4. you have to say something directly about a miricle from the Holy Sprit.

thats too many for me.

neon_tiger · Jul 11, 2009

Caty said:
but see I have spoke some of these thoughts ( & i dont know if it was itentional) and ive also had some intentional thoughts reguarding the Spirit, cause I get so mad at this (feeling that God has abandon me)

I didn't read through the entire thread and missed that part, sorry. Still, since you're trying to overcome this and want the Lord's forgiveness, I think that's all you need to be saved. But I know you're concerned over the meaning of the scripture and don't believe some of the interpretations of it, so I'll keep you in my prayers and encourage you to keep praying for yourself and your salvation.

However, I do think that if the thoughts and things you spoke were really intentional, that you'd definitely know it and it wouldn't even be a question in your mind. So many people get angry with God and lash out at him in thoughts and vocally, but most of these people don't really mean it.

For example, I and many people have told they're parents in the heat of an argument that they hate them. But of course they don't really hate their mother or father. They regret it later and ask for their parent's forgiveness. God created you and loves you just as your parents do, even more so, and he'll forgive you just as your parents would.

Caty · Jul 11, 2009

even if i did mean it at the time (its really bc of all of this frustration with my ocd) I dont want to be like that & i want forgiveness and to move on. But I dont think that's for me anymore.

Caty · Jul 12, 2009

whenever i tell people i have had intrusive thoughts they tell me that its ok, you can be forgiven. but whenever i tell them i could have been angry and i might have spoken some they take a different tone w/me. i hate this. I try ot think that my mom would forgive me of something like that, why wouldn't God??

neon_tiger · Jul 12, 2009

Don't let those people get to you when they take a different tone with you, they just don't understand what you're going through and just haven't experienced it for themselves. Don't take it as a sign that you really can't be forgiven or anything. I think God would forgive you, because life is a struggle and keeping faith sometimes is a struggle. He understands this, loves us, and forgives us.

And forgiveness is for you, it's never not for you.

I was just like you and so sure that I couldn't be forgiven. When people told me what we're all telling you now, I still didn't believe them. It took a long time but it finally clicked for me and I could definitely feel the love of God again and I was able to put my OCD in the past.

You'll get there eventually, sweetheart. It just takes time and a lot of work. A lot of reading of the Bible and praying. You're already seeking help here so you're on your way.

Supplanter · Jul 12, 2009

neon_tiger said:
Don't let those people get to you when they take a different tone with you, they just don't understand what you're going through and just haven't experienced it for themselves. Don't take it as a sign that you really can't be forgiven or anything. I think God would forgive you, because life is a struggle and keeping faith sometimes is a struggle. He understands this, loves us, and forgives us.

And forgiveness is for you, it's never not for you.

I was just like you and so sure that I couldn't be forgiven. When people told me what we're all telling you now, I still didn't believe them. It took a long time but it finally clicked for me and I could definitely feel the love of God again and I was able to put my OCD in the past.

You'll get there eventually, sweetheart. It just takes time and a lot of work. A lot of reading of the Bible and praying. You're already seeking help here so you're on your way.

Listen to her.

Caty · Jul 12, 2009

I know that no one can be sure if im ever forgiven, but there are all of theses wonderful posts but then there is the the "my opinon is" "well i think", "this is what i believe" and it just cancels out the rest of the post bc its from man and not God. i know i probably read too much into but i jsut dont think anyone understands where i am or my situation or my intense fear.

andreha · Jul 13, 2009

I have prayed to the Lord for a word for you. This is what the Holy Spirit gave me:

"My child, I know you. I love you. I knew you before creation of this world. Rest safely in the knowledge that my Spirit is with you. He'll never leave you. Remember, it is written that if you call on the name of the Lord, you shall be saved."

ANM29 · Jul 13, 2009

neon_tiger said:
Don't let those people get to you when they take a different tone with you, they just don't understand what you're going through and just haven't experienced it for themselves. Don't take it as a sign that you really can't be forgiven or anything. I think God would forgive you, because life is a struggle and keeping faith sometimes is a struggle. He understands this, loves us, and forgives us.

And forgiveness is for you, it's never not for you.

I was just like you and so sure that I couldn't be forgiven. When people told me what we're all telling you now, I still didn't believe them. It took a long time but it finally clicked for me and I could definitely feel the love of God again and I was able to put my OCD in the past.

You'll get there eventually, sweetheart. It just takes time and a lot of work. A lot of reading of the Bible and praying. You're already seeking help here so you're on your way.

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