#ILEFTTHEGOP TRENDS AS FORMER REPUBLICANS SHARE WHY THEY 'CUT THE CORD' WITH THE PARTY

[Yarddog]

Automation or mechanization always takes a toll on manpower, But coal will make comeback.!

Maybe, maybe not.

 

[nolidad]

Maybe, maybe not.

True. All we can do is prognosticate. If the 3rd world does not buy, then coal will not come back.

America has converted too many plants at great cost to take on the expense ot go back to coal. Obama's EO's forced many companies to make that decision. Trump reversing those EO's cannot undo what has already been done.

 

[FenderTL5]

True. All we can do is prognosticate. If the 3rd world does not buy, then coal will not come back.

America has converted too many plants at great cost to take on the expense ot go back to coal. Obama's EO's forced many companies to make that decision. Trump reversing those EO's cannot undo what has already been done.

Unfortunately we have to deal with the travesty cleaner air and water, until Trump's roll backs take effect..

 

[nolidad]

Unfortunately we have to deal with the travesty cleaner air and water, until Trump's roll backs take effect..

Isn't that funny! In all the industrialized world, america is the only nation making the best strides in reducing pollution! Clean coal technology has vastly reduced contaminants.

But let us go solar! Take all the available land including farm land so we can produce enough electricity to run a modern nation.

I believe we should advance solar, wind, water, clean coal, nuclear, oil, natural gas. They are all part of a mix in a technological society.

But remember when you use your cell phone, type on a computer keyboard, drive you r electric car, none of those would exist without fossil fuels and what is derived from them.

 

[nolidad]

Real Clear Politics Average of all polls:

Approve:45.1% Disapprove:53.1%
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

Now seven points down, nationally. Many, many more people in these polls than in your fake Newsmax "poll" which merely asked their readers to submit opinions, without regard for accurate sampling.
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Did you actually believe that was a real poll?

Tell you what- I will take the polls of Trumps rallies, donations to the parties over these polls which the pollsters themselves freely admitted in 2017 they were so wrong!

But teh final poll is th eone that counts-- the first Tuesday in November.

Most of the pollsters are left leaning and skew their polls like that early on for th e purpose like the media- to try to depress the vote.

 

[The Barbarian]

Real Clear Politics Average of all polls:

Approve:45.1% Disapprove:53.1%
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

Now seven points down, nationally. Many, many more people in these polls than in your fake Newsmax "poll" which merely asked their readers to submit opinions, without regard for accurate sampling.
Rate Trump Mobile

Did you actually believe that was a real poll?

Tell you what- I will take the polls of Trumps rallies, donations to the parties over these polls which the pollsters themselves freely admitted in 2017 they were so wrong!

Well, let's take a look...
The final poll said she'd get a little over 3% more votes than Trump. She got a little more than 2% more votes than he did.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

Just as you were fooled by that faked poll at Newsmax.

 

[nolidad]

Real Clear Politics Average of all polls:

Approve:45.1% Disapprove:53.1%
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

Now seven points down, nationally. Many, many more people in these polls than in your fake Newsmax "poll" which merely asked their readers to submit opinions, without regard for accurate sampling.
Rate Trump Mobile

Did you actually believe that was a real poll?



Well, let's take a look...
The final poll said she'd get a little over 3% more votes than Trump. She got a little more than 2% more votes than he did.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

Just as you were fooled by that faked poll at Newsmax.

And yet other polls put Trumps favorability ratings at his highest and higher than the last 3 POTUS at this time.

Mor epeople satisfied with the economy
More people satisfied with their finances
more people satsified with their lives!

Once again you keep mewling about the final week of polls which I said would be closer (they do after all have to be near correct if they want to stay in Business)

But as I showed you those same polls 3-5 months out almost all had clinton winning by double digits.

But you can rejoice in your polls, but if this election follows 2016 with the way the polls were calling it from 10-2 months out, You can lament that one fo the socialists couldn't ruin America!

 

[The Barbarian]

And yet other polls put Trumps favorability ratings at his highest and higher than the last 3 POTUS at this time.

Like that faked "poll" that just invited anyone on that website to participate?

Compare that to the Real Clear Politics average of polls (including right-wing polls like Fox and Rasmussen)
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

Another site that collects averages of all polls:
How Popular Is Donald Trump?

What's remarkably constant in all of these is that Trump's approval rate stays below 44 and his disapproval rate stays above 53 almost without exception. The remarkable thing is that the numbers don't change much regardless of what is going on. Most people have made up their minds about him.

But as I showed you those same polls 3-5 months out almost all had clinton winning by double digits.

Most polls at the beginning of Trump's term had his approval over 45. So that's not much comfort for you.

Trump can still pull it out. After all, most Americans didn't want him last time, either. But this time, he's down significantly in states that he has to win in order to stay in office and out of jail.

 

[nolidad]

Like that faked "poll" that just invited anyone on that website to participate?

Compare that to the Real Clear Politics average of polls (including right-wing polls like Fox and Rasmussen)
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

Another site that collects averages of all polls:
How Popular Is Donald Trump?

What's remarkably constant in all of these is that Trump's approval rate stays below 44 and his disapproval rate stays above 53 almost without exception. The remarkable thing is that the numbers don't change much regardless of what is going on. Most people have made up their minds about him.



Most polls at the beginning of Trump's term had his approval over 45. So that's not much comfort for you.

Trump can still pull it out. After all, most Americans didn't want him last time, either. But this time, he's down significantly in states that he has to win in order to stay in office and out of jail.

As I said- you can rely on polls, I will rely on what happens in America. the masses attending his rallies, including thousands of Dems.

The fact that Trump is way ahead in fund raising and cash on hand, the fact that the GOP has outraised the Dems

And that people feel very confident! in teh economy and nation- those all portend a grand re-election! Even with many of the pollsters, over 90% of the media and the entire democrat apparatus being arrayed against Trump since before his inaugaration!

November will show who is right- and who is gullible about polls!

 

[The Barbarian]

s I said- you can rely on polls, I will rely on what happens in America.

Like polls that actually measure what people are thinking.

the masses attending his rallies, including thousands of Dems.

Like the hundreds of thousands of former republicans who have been abandoned by their party, and voted democrat in the 2018 Blue Wave.

The fact that Trump is way ahead in fund raising and cash on hand, the fact that the GOP has outraised the Dems

I don't think trying to buy the election will work. It failed last time. And Trump was saying the polls were all wrong then, too. How did that turn out?

 

[nolidad]

Like polls that actually measure what people are thinking.



Like the hundreds of thousands of former republicans who have been abandoned by their party, and voted democrat in the 2018 Blue Wave.



I don't think trying to buy the election will work. It failed last time. And Trump was saying the polls were all wrong then, too. How did that turn out?

In 2016 it turned out well.

Seems that being old doesn't help you remember that mid term elections almost always go against the party in the White house, but then again, I think you just like to ignore the hard facts you dislike!

Yourfirst line is the first intelligent post you have written! Polling 1,000 people is not a way of knowing what is in the mind of potentially 200,000,000 voters! 2018 was a no brainer in predicting the left would win. History proved that!

But we shall see in November how naive or willingly ignorant you are about trusting in polls 9-10 months out

 

[The Barbarian]

In 2016 it turned out well.

Indeed. The Blue Wave gave democrats control of the House of representatives, and huge gains in statehouses.

Latest House results confirm 2018 wasn't a blue wave. It was a blue tsunami.

• Democrats have picked up a net gain of 40 seats. ... this is the largest Democratic House gain since 1974.

• If you go back all the way to first election of the post-World War II era (1946), there have only been three elections in which Democrats net gained more seats than they did in 2018. Put another way, this was the fourth best performance for Democrats in the 37 general House elections since President Donald Trump was born.

• Democrats' position in the national House popular vote is now reaching historical proportions.

• According to the vote count from the Cook Political Report, Democrats now have a 8.6 point lead. ...This year's 8.6 point House popular vote win for the Democrats is the greatest on record for a minority party heading into an election. ...That is, the Democratic performance this year was better than the minority party's in the previous 38 elections.

• The Democrats won by a wider margin this year than Democrats did in 2006 or Republicans did in 1994 or 2010. They beat the previous record of 8.5 points Republicans won by in 1946.

• 
  
• Importantly, Democrats didn't just win because Republicans turnout was low. This year had the highest turnout for any midterm election at 50.1% in the last 100 years. Turnout was about 35 million more people than it was four years ago, when Republicans expanded their House majority.

Latest House results confirm 2018 wasn't a blue wave. It was a blue tsunami. - CNNPolitics

Seems that being old doesn't help you remember that mid term elections almost always go against the party in the White house,

See above. The news wasn't that the republicans lost the election. It's how badly they lost it. But then again, I think you just like to ignore the hard facts you dislike.

Polling 1,000 people is not a way of knowing what is in the mind of potentially 200,000,000 voters!

Turns out it was. The consensus of the polls was that the democrats would win big, but would likely not retake the Senate, as most Senate seats up for election were held by democrats. They nailed it.

Just as in 2016, the polls predicted a close race with Hillary Clinton getting just a few percent more votes than Trump. How is that possible with just a few thousand samples?

Learn about it here:
https://www.amazon.com/Elements-Sta...9230/ref=mt_paperback?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=

It doesn't require much more than high school math, and it's a classic of introductory statistics. Might be worth learning about? It would give you a pretty good basis on which to discuss this subject.

2018 was a no brainer in predicting the left would win.

More importantly, the polls accurately predicted the massive win the democrats had in those elections. If you're interested, you could learn how they knew.

But we shall see in November how naive or willingly ignorant you are about trusting in polls 9-10 months out

As I showed you before, polls can change over time. Trump's advantage is also his weakness; there had been little movement in his poll numbers regardless of what he does wrong ... or does right. For a president with a large negative approval rate, that's a disaster in the making.

But he could pull it out, if he can convince a large number of Americans that their opinion of him is wrong.

He better get started on it, though.

 

[nolidad]

Indeed. The Blue Wave gave democrats control of the House of representatives, and huge gains in statehouses.

Latest House results confirm 2018 wasn't a blue wave. It was a blue tsunami.

• Democrats have picked up a net gain of 40 seats. ... this is the largest Democratic House gain since 1974.

• If you go back all the way to first election of the post-World War II era (1946), there have only been three elections in which Democrats net gained more seats than they did in 2018. Put another way, this was the fourth best performance for Democrats in the 37 general House elections since President Donald Trump was born.

• Democrats' position in the national House popular vote is now reaching historical proportions.

• According to the vote count from the Cook Political Report, Democrats now have a 8.6 point lead. ...This year's 8.6 point House popular vote win for the Democrats is the greatest on record for a minority party heading into an election. ...That is, the Democratic performance this year was better than the minority party's in the previous 38 elections.

• The Democrats won by a wider margin this year than Democrats did in 2006 or Republicans did in 1994 or 2010. They beat the previous record of 8.5 points Republicans won by in 1946.

• 
  
• Importantly, Democrats didn't just win because Republicans turnout was low. This year had the highest turnout for any midterm election at 50.1% in the last 100 years. Turnout was about 35 million more people than it was four years ago, when Republicans expanded their House majority.

Latest House results confirm 2018 wasn't a blue wave. It was a blue tsunami. - CNNPolitics



See above. The news wasn't that the republicans lost the election. It's how badly they lost it. But then again, I think you just like to ignore the hard facts you dislike.



Turns out it was. The consensus of the polls was that the democrats would win big, but would likely not retake the Senate, as most Senate seats up for election were held by democrats. They nailed it.

Just as in 2016, the polls predicted a close race with Hillary Clinton getting just a few percent more votes than Trump. How is that possible with just a few thousand samples?

Learn about it here:
https://www.amazon.com/Elements-Sta...9230/ref=mt_paperback?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=

It doesn't require much more than high school math, and it's a classic of introductory statistics. Might be worth learning about? It would give you a pretty good basis on which to discuss this subject.



More importantly, the polls accurately predicted the massive win the democrats had in those elections. If you're interested, you could learn how they knew.



As I showed you before, polls can change over time. Trump's advantage is also his weakness; there had been little movement in his poll numbers regardless of what he does wrong ... or does right. For a president with a large negative approval rate, that's a disaster in the making.

But he could pull it out, if he can convince a large number of Americans that their opinion of him is wrong.

He better get started on it, though.

Poor barbarian! Stuck in the propaganda of his own side!

If 2018 was a tsunami then 2010 must have been a noahic flood! Can't even begin to describe the 1894 turnover!

As for polling- it used to be more scientific, but maybe you should learn from the pollsters themselves why they have been so wrong so often in the advent of cell phone saturation!

And Trumps approval rating is about the same as the last five POTUS's at this juncture. You just wish to be a mouthpiece to try to discourage voting by conservatives. the onlything we don't know is if it is willingly or unwittingly.

But he could pull it out, if he can convince a large number of Americans that their opinion of him is wrong.

He better get started on it, though.

Once the left stream media is forced to cover the debates this fall and are forced to have to air the accomplishments of Trump- those numbers will soar. Like in 2016!

Excellent economy
Near record high approval of the economy.
Highest rating of people feeling good about themselves ever!

I did study statistical analysis in college thank you!
You said:
"Just as in 2016, the polls predicted a close race with Hillary Clinton getting just a few percent more votes than Trump. How is that possible with just a few thousand samples?"

And you still completely ignore that from march till august- Hillary held double digit leads over Trump in most of the polls! So Stupid Criminal Donald was able to convince millions of voters? Or were the polls skewed like many pollsters said!

And yes the Dems have picked up more states not only nationally but also in state and local elections. Like every tide it goes in and it goes out! During the Obama administration the GOp gained over 1100 seats in all elections and held super majorities of both the houses and Senates and governorship.

Like the old adage says- what goes up must come down. I do expect that blue tide to turn back red again- In 2016 even much of the OLD GOP establishment was against Trump and suffered for it.

But when the left stream media is forced to air all the good news that they have hardly heard on ABC,CBS,NBC< MSNBC, CNN, PBS- lots of people will cause them polls to tumble against the left.

Maybe you should look up the amount of time news orgs gave to all the negatives th eleft have been throwing against Trump and how little time has been devoted to the following.

Lowest unemployment rate in 50 years
Record employment for blacks
Record employment for hispanics
Record employment for asians
Prison reform championed by Trump
Near record employment for women.
Fairer trade deals made with many partners
Record number of employed.
Record revenue for the federal government.
VA system reformed for the better.
Th ewall being built. 100 miles new build, 400 miles of low grade fencing replaced.
By the end of 2020 500 more miles new construction will be done!
Almost 1,000,000 LEGAL immigrants allowed to America.

These are just a few that the majority of Americans don't hear from the media that by its own mouth declared itself 95% liberal and are anti Trump!

November will tall alot!

 

[The Barbarian]

Poor barbarian! Stuck in the propaganda of his own side!

If 2018 was a tsunami then 2010 must have been a noahic flood!

You've got it backwards...
The Democrats won by a wider margin this year than Democrats did in 2006 or Republicans did in 1994 or 2010. They beat the previous record of 8.5 points Republicans won by in 1946.
Latest House results confirm 2018 wasn't a blue wave. It was a blue tsunami. - CNNPolitics

 

[The Barbarian]

As for polling- it used to be more scientific,

It used to be less scientific. The polls that said Landon was going to easily beat Roosevelt, used telephones, at a time when most Americans didn't have telephones. Likewise, the few pollsters who missed the blue wave, used landlines at a time when fewer and fewer Americans use land lines.

But maybe you should learn from the pollsters themselves why they are so much more accurate than in the past.

And Trumps approval rating is about the same as the last five POTUS's at this juncture.

Actually, no president has had an average approval as low as Trump's level,and been re-elected. Even Truman's 45% was higher than Trump's average.
United States presidential approval rating - Wikipedia

The lowest first-term approval for a president to be re-elected in today's more scientific polling has been Obama with a 49.1. Compare to Trump's 40.0 average. Or at this point in a first term,Trump's 40 to Obama's 45.
Presidential Approval Ratings -- Donald Trump

You just wish to be a mouthpiece to try to discourage voting by independents and democrats; the only thing we don't know is if it is willingly or unwittingly.

 

[nolidad]

You've got it backwards...
The Democrats won by a wider margin this year than Democrats did in 2006 or Republicans did in 1994 or 2010. They beat the previous record of 8.5 points Republicans won by in 1946.
Latest House results confirm 2018 wasn't a blue wave. It was a blue tsunami. - CNNPolitics

Well for all that they picked up only 43 seats. Trump ;lost th epopular vote and Hillary isn't living in the white house either!

to ignore teh history of elections is really poor form on your part.

 

[nolidad]

Well your aping my comment is the highest form of compliment you can give me! So thank YOu !

But we will see in November!

Just remember your more scientific polls had it all wrong for a long time in 2016!

I will let teh poll taken on the first Tuesday of November as the scientific one!

The fact you have to go back to Roosevelt to try to defend the inaccuracies of modern pollsters 9-10 months out is proof you are just in it to muddy the waters.

 

[tulc]

When asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?"
Lincoln replied: "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?"
(snip)

Okay, while I haven't checked the rest of these this one appears to be...less then reliable.
tulc(just thought that should be mentioned)

 

[The Barbarian]

Well for all that they picked up only 43 seats.

this is the largest Democratic House gain since 1974.
Latest House results confirm 2018 wasn't a blue wave. It was a blue tsunami. - CNNPolitics

Biggest win for the democrats in 46 years.

Trump ;lost th epopular vote and Hillary isn't living in the white house either!

It merely means most American voters didn't want Trump. As you know, that's not new. But as you now realize the Blue Wave was the biggest republican legislative defeat in nearly a half-century. And Trump made it a referendum on his presidency. To ignore the history of elections is really poor form on your part.

 

[nolidad]

this is the largest Democratic House gain since 1974.
Latest House results confirm 2018 wasn't a blue wave. It was a blue tsunami. - CNNPolitics

Biggest win for the democrats in 46 years.



It merely means most American voters didn't want Trump. As you know, that's not new. But as you now realize the Blue Wave was the biggest republican legislative defeat in nearly a half-century. And Trump made it a referendum on his presidency. To ignore the history of elections is really poor form on your part.

Well all that is true- but we will let November speak for itself and show that the blue wave was a tiny ripple for a short time.

But should the left win- then America has chosen enslavemetnt o govt. over the freedom that the right offers.