#ILEFTTHEGOP TRENDS AS FORMER REPUBLICANS SHARE WHY THEY 'CUT THE CORD' WITH THE PARTY

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Just another point to show the irrelavency of this. Obama told the country we should accept manufacturing jobs were gone forever and were not coming back!

Actually he said "some jobs are just not coming back." And that's true. He said that in regard to steel production jobs. And Trump has not been able to keep them up to the level Obama had.
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Raw data: US steel production since the end of the recession

Trump showed that wrong and has gotten back hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs your hero Obama said were gone forever!

See above. Not just that. Trump promised to bring back coal mining in W. Virginia. Even killing all sorts of regulations that kept mines from dumping toxins into rivers didn't help:

Coal Comeback? Coal At New Low After Two Years Under Trump
Coal Comeback? Coal At New Low After Two Years Under Trump

If coal miners get much more of his "help" there won't be a mining industry.

The president of United Mine Workers of America said Wednesday that the coal industry is not "back," despite President Donald Trump's claims.
Cecil Roberts said at an event in Washington that his message to Trump and others running for president in 2020 is: "Coal's not back. Nobody saved the coal industry." He said coal-fired plants are closing all over the country, calling it a "harsh reality."
Coal miner union president: 'Coal's not back. Nobody saved the coal industry.' - CNNPolitics


Trump Can't Bring Back Mining Jobs, Coal CEO Warns
A coal executive warned Trump that mining jobs aren't coming back


T[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] held a rally in West Virginia in August 2018 where he touted his administration's proposal to allow states to set their own emissions standards for coal-fueled power plants. He declared at the time, "We are back. The coal industry is back."

Coal miner union president: 'Coal's not back. Nobody saved the coal industry.' - CNNPolitics

One more lie. And the miners take the hit for his incompetence.
 
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There is nothing in the Bible that supports the conservative Christian rationale that when it comes to this President, "the ends justify the means!"

If conservative Christians think that they can emerge from this "unholy" alliance with Donald Trump without suffering major collateral damage for decades to come, they're deluding themselves!

Well if one has an unholy alliance, I agree. But lauding him for good he has done, has advanced issues near and dear to Christians , and willing to re-elect him over the alternatives out there, is far from an unholy alliance
 
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Actually he said "some jobs are just not coming back." And that's true. He said that in regard to steel production jobs. And Trump has not been able to keep them up to the level Obama had.

You mean before the steel jobs dumped in the 2nd term of Obamas administration? He has caused a rise in steel jobs.

As for coal, it takesd time to reverse the downtrend that started under Obama and his job killing regs he imposed. Loosening the regs still requires time to see a return of jobs. That is economics 101.
 
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Hmmmm....shades of history. This is how many Germans felt about Hitler when he came to power. You could say some believed:
"I do not like Hitler's morals and the way he conducts himself. But he has accomplished more things that Germans should applaud and approve as Germans than any of our previous leaders!"

Well I haven't seen Trump pushing to wage war against other nations, just the opposite, He is trying to bring our troops home.

He has not started the holocaust against Jews. He has not singled out any group to be objects of hatred.

But Hitler did accomplish many wonderful things for the people of Germany- before he started his evil path. He rebuilt the nation after the ravages of the great depression. Trump hasn't displayed the mania Hitler displayed. But we can vbote him out or remove him from office like the real tyrants are trying to do now!
 
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You mean before the steel jobs dumped in the 2nd term of Obamas administration? He has caused a rise in steel jobs.

Nope. Still below the level of Obama's administration. His tariffs caused a tiny uptick in steel, at a huge cost to our agricultural sector as China retaliated by putting tariffs on American products. Trump's answer was to hand over welfare payments to farmers. Which, not surprisingly, made things worse.

As for coal, it takesd time to reverse the downtrend that started under Obama and his job killing regs he imposed.

Notice what the miner's unions and mine management people say. It's not coming back. They know what they're talking about. And Trump doesn't. He just made up a story,as usual.

Loosening the regs still requires time to see a return of jobs.

Won't work. Plants are converting over to natural gas. Electric utilities are finding wind to be more economical in many places. Other energy sources are now cheaper than coal. And if so, coal will continue to decline as the miner's unions and coal operators have told you.

That is economics 101.
 
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He has not started the holocaust against Jews.

(JTA) — Despite a rise in anti-Semitic violence in recent years, the proportion of Americans holding “intensely” anti-Semitic views remains small, according to a new poll.

The poll, conducted by the Anti-Defamation League and published Wednesday, asked 11 questions of U.S. adults regarding traditional anti-Semitic stereotypes, using a protocol the organization developed more than 50 years ago.

While 61 percent of respondents said they agreed with one or more of the stereotypes, only 11 percent said they believed in a majority of them. That number is consistent with the ADL’s surveys over the past 25 years.

“Our research finds that this uptick [in anti-Semitic violence] is being caused not by a change in attitudes among most Americans,” said ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt in a statement. “Rather, more of the millions of Americans holding anti-Semitic views are feeling emboldened to act on their hate.”
Anti-Semitic violence is on the rise in America - but anti-Semitic attitudes are not, ADL poll says - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

What could have caused these scum to think their time has come?


Hail Trump: White nationalists mark Trump win with Nazi salute
In the US, video has emerged of far right activists celebrating Donald Trump’s victory with what appear to be Nazi salutes.

It happened at a conference in Washington of the alt-right – a radical group that has dramatically risen in prominence in the last year.
White nationalists mark Trump win with Nazi salute

Alt-Right Gathering Exults in Trump Election With Nazi-Era Salute
But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the “children of the sun,” a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were “awakening to their own identity.”

As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. Mr. Spencer called out: “Hail Trump! Hail our people!” and then, “Hail victory!” — the English translation of the Nazi exhortation “Sieg Heil!” The room shouted back.
Alt-Right Gathering Exults in Trump Election With Nazi-Era Salute


KKK parades through Roxboro for ‘Trump victory’
KKK parades through Roxboro for 'Trump victory'

He has not singled out any group to be objects of hatred.

Other than Muslims, Hispanics, Africans...
 
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"But He has accomplished more things that Christians should applaud and approve as Christians in America than even Ronald REagan!"

Maybe it’s a keyboard issue. My iPad does weird capitalization at times. Notice the "REagan"? Seen that before on this site???
In a democracy, the President is assumed to govern in the best interests of all of its citizens - not just in the service of a select few, his core constituency!

Abraham Lincoln, arguably America's greatest President, issued the Emancipation Proclamation to free 3 millions slaves, who were not only excluded from the electorate - but whose legal status was not that of human beings but merely the "property" of their owners!

The American Constitution, that this `President has sworn to uphold, was designed not to grant special status to any particular religion - unlike Iran, the United States is a democracy, not a theocracy!
 
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Nope. Still below the level of Obama's administration. His tariffs caused a tiny uptick in steel, at a huge cost to our agricultural sector as China retaliated by putting tariffs on American products. Trump's answer was to hand over welfare payments to farmers. Which, not surprisingly, made things worse.

Maybe you should get new glasses! for your own chart posted shows the lowest level of steel production was at the end of th eOPbama administration and it has been rising ever since under Trump! Maybe you are just upset because it hasm't grown as fast as you wish or something.
 
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Notice what the miner's unions and mine management people say. It's not coming back. They know what they're talking about. And Trump doesn't. He just made up a story,as usual.

Some won't. Once you close a mine it takes lots of money and time to reopen and some power plants converted over under Obama and the beginning of Trumps administration. They won't convert back because of teh cost to switch, then switch again. That is economics 001.
But China will be buying much more coal . They are building at least 1 new coal plant a week and require American coal! They don't have enough to meet their demand.

Won't work. Plants are converting over to natural gas. Electric utilities are finding wind to be more economical in many places. Other energy sources are now cheaper than coal. And if so, coal will continue to decline as the miner's unions and coal operators have told you.

Yes, but coal will increase where plants hadn't converted over. That is on Obama not Trump.
 
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Other than Muslims, Hispanics, Africans...

Those are lies and you know that! It is Muslim terrorists, Illegal Hispanics, and how you can even say Africans is beyond me! He even campaigned in black areas promising better and then delivering it!

What could have caused these scum to think their time has come?

Hail Trump: White nationalists mark Trump win with Nazi salute
In the US, video has emerged of far right activists celebrating Donald Trump’s victory with what appear to be Nazi salutes.

It happened at a conference in Washington of the alt-right – a radical group that has dramatically risen in prominence in the last year.
White nationalists mark Trump win with Nazi salute

Alt-Right Gathering Exults in Trump Election With Nazi-Era Salute
But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the “children of the sun,” a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were “awakening to their own identity.”

As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. Mr. Spencer called out: “Hail Trump! Hail our people!” and then, “Hail victory!” — the English translation of the Nazi exhortation “Sieg Heil!” The room shouted back.
Alt-Right Gathering Exults in Trump Election With Nazi-Era Salute


KKK parades through Roxboro for ‘Trump victory’
KKK parades through Roxboro for 'Trump victory'

Nothing Trump has publicly said! Unless you have access to some secret correspondence Trump imaginarily worte to these evil groups (like you claimed in our evolution debates), then sorry, Trump has not promoted segregation or discrimination.

Should we blame the torching of sections of Baltimore by blacks on Obama?
 
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I like the message:
"I'm not leaving the GOP; the GOP left me."

You do? That's actually the statement that the Democrat Congressman who switched over to the Republican said a couple of weeks back, that he didn't leave the Democrat party but it left him.


See it at 6:30
 
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Maybe you should get new glasses! for your own chart posted shows the lowest level of steel production was at the end of th eOPbama administration and it has been rising ever since under Trump! Maybe you are just upset because it hasm't grown as fast as you wish or something.

Cherry-picking won't help you. As you see, even with protective tariffs, steel output has declined from the Obama years. What's worse for Trump, is that his failure to keep his promises means that GDP of those swing states has actually declined on Trump's watch. Would you like me to show you that?
 
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Cherry-picking won't help you. As you see, even with protective tariffs, steel output has declined from the Obama years. What's worse for Trump, is that his failure to keep his promises means that GDP of those swing states has actually declined on Trump's watch. Would you like me to show you that?

You need to look at your own chart. Stell has picked up from the lowest years at the end of teh Obama terms. It hasn't reached the heights yet, but the trend was down and Trump has turned it back up again!

Look at your own chart yourself!

When Obama left office, steel had dropped to a little over 6 billion tons. In the 1 1/4 years under the Trump Administration it has risen to just under 7 billion tons. over 600,000,000 more tons than when Obama left and his trend had been downweard, Trump is trending upward!
 
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When Obama left office, steel had dropped to a little over 6 billion tons. In the 1 1/4 years under the Trump Administration it has risen to just under 7 billion tons. over 600,000,000 more tons than when Obama left and his trend had been downweard, Trump is trending upward!

There are cycles, but steel under Trump remains lower than the average production figures under Obama. And given that Obama took office in the Great Recession, that's rather amazing. Trump's tariffs helped American steel, at the cost of harming all the rest of us. That's how tariffs work.

But as I said, the real problem for Trump is that under his economic policies, GDP for the swing states fell on his watch. In most other states that won't matter; red states will be red, and blue states will be blue. But the fact that people are worse off in the swing states is exactly what he doesn't want.

Here’s How the Economy Has Performed in Every Swing State Since Trump Was Elected

The Commerce Department has announced a second quarter real GDP of 2.1%. That is a drop from the first quarter’s 3.1% pace, and there’s no question that “2.1%” doesn’t have the same ring to it as “3%,” which Mr. Trump likes to tout as a reflection of his pro-growth policies versus his presidential predecessor.
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But to avoid the mistake made last time around, let’s take a look at how things are going in a handful of likely swing states.
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Change in state GDP since Trump's election:

Wisconsin -0.8%
Pennsylvania -0.4%
Arizona 1.0%
Maine -2.2%
New Hampshire -1.3%
Ohio -0.3%
Michigan -2.4%
Here's How the Economy Has Performed in Every Swing State Since Trump Was Elected
 
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There are cycles, but steel under Trump remains lower than the average production figures under Obama. And given that Obama took office in the Great Recession, that's rather amazing. Trump's tariffs helped American steel, at the cost of harming all the rest of us. That's how tariffs work.

But as I said, the real problem for Trump is that under his economic policies, GDP for the swing states fell on his watch. In most other states that won't matter; red states will be red, and blue states will be blue. But the fact that people are worse off in the swing states is exactly what he doesn't want.

Well y0u can giggle the numbers however you wish, but the production numbers were going down and Trump turned them around. Of course after the crash there would be a big rebound, but it didn't last until Trump.

As for the swing states, I guess the numbers show Trump is still the #1 candidate! He draws tens of thousands while the dems draw their dozens or maybe a few hundred!

The Commerce Department has announced a second quarter real GDP of 2.1%. That is a drop from the first quarter’s 3.1% pace, and there’s no question that “2.1%” doesn’t have the same ring to it as “3%,” which Mr. Trump likes to tout as a reflection of his pro-growth policies versus his presidential predecessor.

And given that most of the industrialized world is either in recession or teetering on recession, 21% is good. Also considering that Trump went into a trade war to get fairer trade with China, Europes and the other N.A. nations, that is pretty remarkable.

Change in state GDP since Trump's election:

Wisconsin -0.8%
Pennsylvania -0.4%
Arizona 1.0%
Maine -2.2%
New Hampshire -1.3%
Ohio -0.3%
Michigan -2.4%
Here's How the Economy Has Performed in Every Swing State Since Trump Was Elected

Now look at those states and see which ones are at or very near "full employment", wage growth for the middle class and vacant middle and upper class jobs and the numbers will paint a very different picture.
 
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As for the swing states, I guess the numbers show Trump is still the #1 candidate! He draws tens of thousands while the dems draw their dozens or maybe a few hundred!(snip)
Well...to be fair: who doesn't like watching a traveling dumpster fire? I'd say, forget the rallies, watch the election results instead. Those are the numbers that count. :wave:
tulc(is still amazed at how much some Republicans sound like 2016 Democrats when they make those "sure of victory!" claims) :sorry:
 
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Well...to be fair: who doesn't like watching a traveling dumpster fire? I'd say, forget the rallies, watch the election results instead. Those are the numbers that count. :wave:
tulc(is still amazed at how much some Republicans sound like 2016 Democrats when they make those "sure of victory!" claims) :sorry:

You are correct. On another discussion forum, I challenge a guy to go beyond polls.

However given the hugely large crowds Trump draws, I say all the polls and howling of the left is simple fear that Trump (though a scoundrel) is very popular, and given his track record of accomplishments, has doen much good for America and its people.
 
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