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If you were selling your home would you allow someone to buy it if you knew they were gay?

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by wallet_man, Sep 10, 2020.

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  1. bèlla

    bèlla ⭐️ Supporter

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    If the purchaser was homosexual I would sell the home and treat them with courtesy and kindness in the hope my example will plant a seed HaShem can nourish through other contacts.

    We impact the world one soul at a time.

    Yours in His Service,

    ~Bella
     
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  2. Arc F1

    Arc F1 Let the righteous man arise from slumber Supporter

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    To be honest I would have to say no. Legally though I would probably be required to not think that way. Sin is sin and I can't do anything to help people in committing sin. I wouldn't sell the house knowing someone was going to murder another in it and I wouldn't sell a house knowing that someone was going to have gay sex in it.

    We tend to think love means we have to except what people do and bend over backwards to help them sin instead of helping them see the light. We no longer cast out the sinners and now treat them as if they are trying to do what's right. A person who is working towards being a better person and one who rejects God and wishes to have nothing to do with him are completely different and should be treated differently.

    Am I looking at this all wrong?
     
  3. bèlla

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    "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, and your ways are not my ways," says ADONAI. As high as the sky is above the earth are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."Isaiah 55:8-9

    The real answer isn't what 'I' would do but how HaShem would have me respond.

    Yours in His Service,

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  4. Sparagmos

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    But they’re going to have gay sex somewhere no matter what you do. Why does it matter which house it is in?

    Also, would you sell your house to a person who was not married but was in a heterosexual relationship?
     
  5. Anthony2019

    Anthony2019 Pax et bonum! CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    And another fact to consider is that being gay is an orientation not a behaviour. It does not necessarily imply that the person is interested in having sexual relations.
     
  6. Sparagmos

    Sparagmos Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking the same thing.
     
  7. ewq1938

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    Some posts were deleted for flaming or off topic or Disruptive Behavior which means don't post the rules as if you are a moderator. Just report something if you think it's a violation rather than post about it in a thread.

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  8. Arc F1

    Arc F1 Let the righteous man arise from slumber Supporter

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    If I were to sell my house knowing that it would help others to sin wouldn't I be helping them sin? Wouldn't that be going against the word of God?

    Hetero, homo or whatever it's still the same principle. Disregard the type of sin and let me know your thoughts on my perspective. Am I looking at this all wrong? Are we as Christians or any other faith supposed to help people go against our beliefs?
     
  9. bèlla

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    Perhaps we should insert a dose of realism in our replies. The market is a big influence. It's easy to stand on a principle if you're selling in a booming market and the property garnered a lot interest.

    But what if that isn't the case? What if its been sitting for months with no bites? You've reduced the price and its still cold. Finally a buyer arrives and they're ready to pull the trigger. But they're gay or unmarried.

    Are you really going to hold up the sale? Most people buy and sell at the best price they can get. That's true for Christians and unbelievers. It's one thing to speculate and another to walk it out. There may be some who'd swallow the loss and stand on their beliefs. But the majority won't. The money would sway them.

    Yours in His Service,

    ~Bella
     
  10. Tone

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    Sounds like you desire to do business only with professed believers, since we all sin.

    I think there is a principle in Scripture for this and the word "economy" does come from the Greek "oikonomia" (something like that), meaning "household".

    In Galatians 6:10 Paul says to do good to all men, especially to the household of faith.

    The Mormons, and I would guess, the Quakers are good at this ( with their faith).

    But, with all the denominationalism I don't see this going down here in the U.S. on a grand scale.

    Of course, when the Kingdom comes on Earth as in Heaven, we will have the Holy Household of Yah happening!

    *As individuals we are free to contract with whoever/whatever we want.

    It's important to keep this in mind.
     
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  11. HARK!

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    Do you consider owning a home to be a sin?

    If we stopped buying and selling with anyone who might later commit a sin, not directly related to the transaction; trade would come to a grinding halt, outside of those who don't recognize sin.
     
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  12. AbbaLove

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    You mean like if one of the gay married partners was suspected of being a pedofile, but had never been convicted. The young husband and wife had lost their jobs due to Covid-19 and were moving 1000 miles where employment looked more promising. They weren't church-going Christians, but decided not to sell to the gay couple upon the advice of their Christian parents. They took a significant loss selling to a Christian realtor who sold it to the gay couple making a quick profit of several thousand dollars.
    That sums up America's luke warm seeker-sensitive churchgoer. The LORD still holds His chosen ones accountable to His standard and not that of the world.
     
  13. bèlla

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    The couple sold the property to a Christian realtor who turned around and sold it to the original buyer? They discerned the problem with the buyer but neglected to perform the same due diligence on the realtor. How strange.

    When Adonai closes a door no man can reopen it. Obviously that wasn't the case in this instance.

    Yours in His Service,

    ~Bella
     
  14. wallet_man

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    How would your understanding and the living out of 2 Timothy 3 (NASB) and these other verses look like?:
    For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.

    1 Corinthians 5:9-10 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.

    2 John 9-11
    9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

    Luke 6:23-35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.

    Matthew 9:10-13
    While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?” On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

    Pro. 22:24
    Make no friendship with an angry man, And with a furious man do not go,
     
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  15. Arc F1

    Arc F1 Let the righteous man arise from slumber Supporter

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    No, I don't see ownership as a sin. What I'm trying to figure out is if you "know" it's going to be a sin and you help the person are you then guilty also? The OP was about a house but it could be anything. Is knowingly aiding in someone committing a sin make you guilty also?
     
  16. Arc F1

    Arc F1 Let the righteous man arise from slumber Supporter

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    It's not a matter of who I want to do business with its if it's a sin to knowingly aid someone in committing a sin.
     
  17. visionary

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    Our interaction with the sinners of the world is one of planting seeds and praying, everything else is business as usual.
     
  18. seeking.IAM

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    I don't understand how this is even a question. The second greatest commandment is to love your neighbor as yourself. Would you want someone to deny selling you a house because they disapproved of your partner? How is denying someone buying something loving them? It's a stretch by any imagination.
     
  19. RDKirk

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    Where in "the word of God" do you find that concept?
     
  20. Albion

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    Sure, but it's hard to see how this that we're discussing would be an example of that.

    It's not as though you are making something happen that wouldn't happen anyway (and in fact is already happening), which WOULD be the situation if you drove the getaway car in a robbery or loaned money to somebody to hire a prostitute or buy illegal drugs, etc.
     
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