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If you want kids to learn creation science, show how you'd teach it.

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by shernren, Sep 1, 2006.

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  1. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Au contraire.

    Since science has a word for what we call miracles (i.e. "singularity") - that makes the Bible a "book of singularities" - which makes it very scientific.
     
  2. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Not a problem --- you wanted a syllabus on "the Bible in science-speak" --- and you got one.
     
  3. JedPerkins

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    "Singularity" and "miracle" are not synonyms. I'm pretty sure you know that...
     
  4. Lord_Marx

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    So any religion with miracles (which is almost all of them) is scientific? Zeus creating lightning is scientific since it is a "singularity".
     
  5. AV1611VET

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    Yes --- provided the miracles are true miracles.

    Zeus didn't create lightning, and technically, neither did God --- not as a singularity, that is.
     
  6. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    What's the difference?
     
  7. nvxplorer

    nvxplorer Senior Contributor

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    Regardless of your semantic games, I do not have a problem with all authority. Do you have a problem with autocracy? Would you submit to a dictator? If not, using your semantics, then you have a problem with authority. (catch my drift? ;) )
     
  8. LightHorseman

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    Well, singularities can be explained, and more importantly OBSERVED... but Genesis "miracles" can't be
     
  9. LightHorseman

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    No, we want a sylabus that demonstrates how Biblical genesis can be explained as a science, that is, repeatable observable phenomena, and supported predictions that may be experimentally observed or phenomenonologically observed.

    Thats what science is. Genesis does not provide any of these.

    Feel free to prove me wrong. All it will take is one example of observable Theistic intervention pertaining to creation. Just one. And as a bonus to the deal, if you provide me with one, I promise NEVERto post about evolution ever again, ever.
     
  10. AV1611VET

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    Please give me an example of an observed singularity that isn't a miracle.

    I'll admit that Jesus restored life to more than one person in the Bible, and yet those were "repeated miracles"; but I'll go as far as to say that all singularities are miracles, but not all miracles are singularities.

    Only God can "repeat a singularity".
     
  11. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Once again, I didn't say you did. You're the one who changed the wording of my post, not I. That makes you the one playing games.

    Ya --- real cute.
     
  12. nvxplorer

    nvxplorer Senior Contributor

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    No, you're having difficulty admitting what you wrote. If I say "you don't like Chevys," I am implying that you dislike all Chevys. Showing that you drive (and enjoy) a Cobalt, for example, disproves my statement "you don't like Chevys," regardless of your opinion on the rest of the Chevrolet fleet. Likewise, having a problem with certain types of authority does not equate to having a problem with "authority." Since you did not specify any particular type of authority, your use of the word is all-inclusive. All I have to show is that I accept certain types of authority to disprove your statement.
    Tell me, do you have a problem with autocracy? Would that mean you "have a problem with authority?"
     
  13. Jase

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    To some of us humans AV, the concept of eternally torturing people is evil. It's called morality.
     
  14. LightHorseman

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    No worries... beyond the event horizon of every black hole is a singularity. And we have a pretty solid theoretical understanding of how to create one, and can make predictions about where and when they are likely to occur... and guess what? Astronomers find black holes pretty much exactly where the theory predicts they will be, und under pretty much the exact same conditions the theory predicts.

    See? Repeatable observation, and compliance of observed facts with prediction, equals science.

    Lot of astro physicists will disagree, they have pretty firm estimates of the amount of energy required to create a singularity. They are large amounts, sure... but not divine, by any stretch of the imagination.

    So, singularities occur in scientific paradigms, because they follow predictions and observations. Miracles do not, because you can never predict where or when one will occur. So therefore, anything miraculous, dores not belong in a science class room, unless you formulate a method by which you can accurately predict miracles.
     
  15. TheWakeUpCaller

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    AV1611VET,
    I have enjoyed everything you have posted. You have been called stupid and other names, but yet you never responded in kind. That is what being a christian is about, not attacking others to make a point. The more you posted, the more you were attacked. I also appreciate the fact that you pray for people that attack you. One day that might be what saves them. You can almost feel the hostilities in their posts, you can certainly see them. What are you people so mad at? Is there a blackhole in your life maybe? A big dark void? I think AV knows the answer to that. If you are miserable, then who really cares about science if all this learning makes you so unhappy . I will take the Bibe first and science second.
     
  16. LightHorseman

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    I'd like to re-iterate that I have never called him stupid, nor attacked him. But I AM still waiting for a clear cut example of theistic creationism thats verifiable by science, and, therefore, suitable for inclusion in a science text.

    Unless you swear to me on a stack of Bibles that you will never submit to any medical treatment ever again, then YOU sir, are a hypocrite
     
  17. AngryWomble

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    Here's why this tread interests me, and i'll say it slowly so that it'll sink in...

    I. Am. Going. To. Be. A. Science. Teacher.

    And as such it would be nice to see what you laughably would want to call science. However if you'd not applied a series of responces akin to the wriggling that your average politician would use i'd have been inclined to have helped you to get your idea of what to teach to look more professional.

    If you don't like my attitude then tough, it's also highly unlikely that i'd be in such a classroom. And in the unlikely event that i'm there it would be a case of 'reaserching the opposition' so i'd sit quitely at the back taking notes and trying not to laugh.

    Your whole attitude of me lasting two days is poor at best, and would be considered unprofessional by most teaching staff. And it strikes me of being akin to the attitude of one of my primary school teachers, and he was probably the worst teacher during my schooling. I hope your not a teacher.

    Being failed by you wouldn't bother me in the slightest, i've had to stomache two years of a GCSE that i didn't want to do. And if i must say so i let my disgruntlement be known, but as with all things English, in a polite way.

    Exactly! And as i said i'd doubt he#d make a good teacher for a number of reasons.
     
  18. joey444

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    Yes, finding cures to deadly diseases makes me a sad panda. :cry:


    Also, no Antibiotics for you!
     
  19. AV1611VET

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    That eternal torment is for their benefit --- consider this:

    Right now the Holy Spirit is here keeping evil at bay. Despite this fact, we've had our Neros and Stalins and Hitlers and Pol Pots, etc. People who have done unimaginable evil things to others.

    Now picture Hell without the fire and brimstone: nice houses, quiet streets, beautiful gardens, lakes, and ponds. Plenty of fishing, hunting, hiking, whatever your heart's desire.

    And best of all: no God - no Bible - not a Christian in sight! In fact, it's an Atheist's Paradise; with survival-of-the-fittest and natural selection a daily occurrence.

    Now all of a sudden, Nero shows up, then Stalin, then Hitler, then Pol Pot. Can you even fathom how those men would turn your little paradise into a torture chamber for all eternity?

    No --- God is not going to let that happen. You see, He made provisions for that --- even in Hell; because Nero and Stalin and Hitler and Pol Pot are going to be too busy with their own problems to be thinking of anyone else.

    Me --- I'm taking the cool way out --- through Jesus Christ.
     
  20. Caphi

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    For one thing, a miracle (an event brought about by a sentient being which is counter to the laws of physics) is not a singularity (a region where the curvature of space-time is infinitely high). The two are not equal. No singularities are miraculous, since all singularities are perfectly in accordance with the general theory of relativity, and no miracles are singularities, since any hypothetical miracle would have to go outside the bounds of all known physical laws, and singularities, as I've said, are all within general relativity.

    Second, picking a random sciencey-sounding word, equating it (truly or falsely) with anything in the Bible, and saying "*** teh bibble is scientific!!!" is not even close to a valid argument.
     
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