if you observe Sabbath, Christ will profit you nothing.

[bugkiller]

Why do you butcher the Scriptures so much? Ananias kept the Law of Moses and was regarded as a disciple of Christ:

A man named Ananias came to see me. He was a devout observer of the law and highly respected by all the Jews living there. Acts 22:12

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In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, "Ananias!" "Yes, Lord," he answered. Acts 9:10



Choosing to keep the Sabbath does not make anyone fall from grace. One can only fall from grace if they let go of Christ...

The demanding of its observance as a requirement of salvation does though. And worshipping it is idolatry. Hail, peaceful Day! is sung directly to the sabbath. I do wonder why some say happy sabbath. To me this takes away from God. No such similar phrase is ever heard in Sunday go-to-meetin churches.

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

This can go both ways.

but paul sure fought it off big time, ask yourself one question..do the sabbath people think it is law, that we must keep it? They act like we all must, they don't say it is just a personal thing with them, do they?

see?

 

[Frogster]

Matthew 5:18-19

King James Version (KJV)

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

do u realize how much jot an tittle about feast laws went away in 70 AD?

lets not over press that, and read luke 24, Jesus by that point fulfilled moses, the psalms, and the prophets.

 

[Frogster]

Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

there goes any objective rule that the SDA people apply then...

all subjective? great, tell the sabbath people that.

 

[Frogster]

Personally, I don't see any difference between Judaizers and those who would like to forbid Christians from keeping the Sabbath, Feasts etc. Both sides are equally going against the LORD by their false teachings...

because most sabby promoters teach it as law, very simple.

people can try to act jewish fine, but they mostly do it by law, and if they go by an objective code for themselves, than others have to be condemend as sinners for breaking the code, that the sabby person deemed as objective law, no getting around that.

i was called a sinner here, for eating shrimp.

 

[Frogster]

Oh but lookie here!

Hebrews 4:4-9

King James Version (KJV)

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

The Lord shall keep His Sabbath Holy, for no unclean thing shall enter into it.

it says in 4, josh could not give rest, that would be the mosaic sabby, and a long time later, another day would be announced through david, so could you please describe what sabby is, according to heb 4, because he was telling them the old cov, that which had sabby is over, and in a few years, it would be official as 70 ad came, the 40 year mark warning came.

so please tell me what sabby 4 is about?

 

[Steve Petersen]

and so you keep them because of why?

John 4:20-24 (YLT)
our fathers in this mountain did worship, and ye--ye say that in Jerusalem is the place where it behoveth to worship.' Jesus saith to her, `Woman, believe me, that there doth come an hour, when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, shall ye worship the Father; ye worship what ye have not known; we worship what we have known, because the salvation is of the Jews; but, there cometh an hour, and it now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also doth seek such to worship him; God is a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and truth it doth behove to worship.'

how is it worshiping God in spirit and truth to observe the shadows of truth?

How is it worshiping God to attend ANY religious service then?

As has been stated earlier, Sabbath is a rehearsal of the Messianic era when Jesus returns and the earth experiences a 'rest' for a millenia.

It goes back to the concept of the world week, hinted at in Psalms and 2 Peter. This view was also held by some of the teachers of Israel. The world would endure for 6000 years followed by 1000 years of rest as in a sabbatical year.

 

[Frogster]

Why do you butcher the Scriptures so much? Ananias kept the Law of Moses and was regarded as a disciple of Christ:

A man named Ananias came to see me. He was a devout observer of the law and highly respected by all the Jews living there. Acts 22:12

_______

In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, "Ananias!" "Yes, Lord," he answered. Acts 9:10



Choosing to keep the Sabbath does not make anyone fall from grace. One can only fall from grace if they let go of Christ...

ananias just shows transition, they kept the law in juerusalem also for a bit, until 70ad, but that just shows transitional stress, u forget, that peter called the law a yoke, and james said not to burden the church with it, burden in acts 15.


paul called bondage, and also poop in phil 3

 

[Frogster]

Once again I ask, who here is claiming Sabbath observance JUSTIFIES a person?

because if they are condemend for not, the obvious would be that one is just for keeping it by law, we can't have condemnation announced, without it's opposite, justification.

 

[Frogster]

How is it worshiping God to attend ANY religious service then?

As has been stated earlier, Sabbath is a rehearsal of the Messianic era when Jesus returns and the earth experiences a 'rest' for a millenia.

It goes back to the concept of the world week, hinted at in Psalms and 2 Peter. This view was also held by some of the teachers of Israel. The world would endure for 6000 years followed by 1000 years of rest as in a sabbatical year.

that is just one view of prophecy, and one view of the eschaton.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

but paul sure fought it off big time, ask yourself one question..do the sabbath people think it is law, that we must keep it? They act like we all must, they don't say it is just a personal thing with them, do they?

see?

As one poster said earlier the big issue is with those who think they are justified and saved by keeping the letter,and works of the law. And some will even try to condemn others for not keeping worship on a certain day of the week. (which is also in error, and being judgemental of others.)

Paul said he was afraid of those who observed days, months, years, because all those things were just types and shadows of the true. Those people were still in the flesh, and they only saw the flesh (outward appearance) of the law, not the Spirit.

But every man needs to be convinced in his own mind, and the only one who can remove the fleshy veil from the mind is Christ. But in the mean time we are to suffer the weaker in conscience until Christ be formed in them.

Besides what does it matter if we are judged by another mans weaker conscience? It is to our Master we answer to, not to another mans conscience.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

do u realize how much jot an tittle about feast laws went away in 70 AD?

lets not over press that, and read luke 24, Jesus by that point fulfilled moses, the psalms, and the prophets.

Yes Jesus fulfilled the flesh of the law for us, but the Spirit of the law (prophecy) is still being fulfilled, and will not be complete until the first heaven and earth pass away as Jesus plainly said.

To say all the spiritual law has been fulfilled, is like saying all prophecy in the scriptures has also been fulfilled already.

But like I told you before there is more to the law than meets the eye, and many do not hear what the spirit of the law is saying.

 

[Frogster]

As one poster said earlier the big issue is with those who think they are justified and saved by keeping the letter,and works of the law. And some will even try to condemn others for not keeping worship on a certain day of the week. (which is also in error, and being judgemental of others.)

Paul said he was afraid of those who observed days, months, years, because all those things were just types and shadows of the true. Those people were still in the flesh, and they only saw the flesh (outward appearance) of the law, not the Spirit.

But every man needs to be convinced in his own mind, and the only one who can remove the fleshy veil from the mind is Christ. But in the mean time we are to suffer the weaker in conscience until Christ be formed in them.

Besides what does it matter if we are judged by another mans weaker conscience? It is to our Master we answer to, not to another mans conscience.

bottom line, the already justified galatians, were being led away from christ, by the law people.

and the sda people say it is sin to not keep sabbay, so one has to presume that one is just, for keeping sabby, how am i wrong?

 

[Noxot]

How is it worshiping God to attend ANY religious service then?

As has been stated earlier, Sabbath is a rehearsal of the Messianic era when Jesus returns and the earth experiences a 'rest' for a millenia.

It goes back to the concept of the world week, hinted at in Psalms and 2 Peter. This view was also held by some of the teachers of Israel. The world would endure for 6000 years followed by 1000 years of rest as in a sabbatical year.

it is not the service, but the spiritual people who do the real worshiping. worshiping God is a spiritual way of beings as well. we should be constantly doing such if we walk in Spirit and in Truth. a gathering together of believers is fine and very good if they have the Lord in their hearts. there are also gatherings of people who serve God with mouth but their heart is far from him, God is not pleased with such.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

it says in 4, josh could not give rest, that would be the mosaic sabby, and a long time later, another day would be announced through david, so could you please describe what sabby is, according to heb 4, because he was telling them the old cov, that which had sabby is over, and in a few years, it would be official as 70 ad came, the 40 year mark warning came.

so please tell me what sabby 4 is about?

It's about the thousand year reign of Christ on earth, when Satan is put away for a thousand years. A thousand years is but a day to the Lord.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

bottom line, the already justified galatians, were being led away from christ, by the law people.

and the sda people say it is sin to not keep sabbay, so one has to presume that one is just, for keeping sabby, how am i wrong?

Where did I say you were wrong, I made a statement.

And p.s don't try putting words in my mouth as you've done in the past.

 

[Yab Yum]

Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

(Galatians 5:1-4)

The above scripture carries a message that is true; everybody who seeks to be justified by obeying the law has fallen from grace. This applies just as much to the one who seeks to gain God's favour by observing the 7th day as Sabbath in the belief that by so doing he/she shows themselves to be loyal followers of God and among those who "keep the commandments". One cannot be justified by works of the law.

Thanks Frogster. Oh wait ...

Just kiddin.

 

[Steve Petersen]

it is not the service, but the spiritual people who do the real worshiping. worshiping God is a spiritual way of beings as well. we should be constantly doing such if we walk in Spirit and in Truth. a gathering together of believers is fine and very good if they have the Lord in their hearts. there are also gatherings of people who serve God with mouth but their heart is far from him, God is not pleased with such.

No argument there.

Serving God with the mouth but not with the heart can be found in any denomination.

 

[Frogster]

Where did I say you were wrong, I made a statement.

And p.s don't try putting words in my mouth as you've done in the past.

i made a statement too.

 

[Frogster]

Thanks Frogster. Oh wait ...

Just kiddin.

good one though...