If you didn't believe...

[visionary]

That you immediately upon death go to heaven.

What would this verse mean to you?
Phil 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

 

[Chinchilla]

or how does one pretend that Peter did not see Moses ?

 

[SkyWriting]

That you immediately upon death go to heaven.

What would this verse mean to you?
Phil 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

I believe we sleep after we die, and that Jesus showed us
that God's Kingdom should be held in high regard compared
to this world which will be replaced.

 

[Dave-W]

I believe we sleep after we die,

Why? Do you think that in death we are subject to time?

 

[SkyWriting]

Why? Do you think that in death we are subject to time?

No, but others will, God willing. Scripture could have claimed "We Rot"
but evidently the soul is worth consideration. And I guess it "sleeps."

 

[Chinchilla]

No, but others will, God willing. Scripture could have claimed "We Rot"
but evidently the soul is worth consideration. And I guess it "sleeps."

Why would a soul need to rest ?

 

[SkyWriting]

Why would a soul need to rest ?

No need. It's just that judgment is a one time event rather than an on-going process. According to scripture anyway. I'm not concerned about any timing for anything. I get the impression that God is not either since He is already there, from A to Z.

 

[Chinchilla]

No need. It's just that judgment is a one time event rather than an on-going process. According to scripture anyway. I'm not concerned about any timing for anything. I get the impression that God is not either since He is already there, from A to Z.

Yea but we are finite beings compared to him , we need space to live .

 

[chunkofcoal]

I kind of wonder if there is a difference between "dying" and "being gathered" to one's people.
Gen 25:8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people.

 

[chunkofcoal]

Why would a soul need to rest ?

Our soul lives along with our body in this life and there are things in life that can make one weary. Even if one isn't physically tired they can be weary, so it may be that a soul might need rest.

 

[Chinchilla]

Our soul lives along with our body in this life and there are things in life that can make one weary. Even if one isn't physically tired they can be weary, so it may be that a soul might need rest.

There is no night in heaven , this body is for sure weary but the incorruptible one can't feel hunger , thirst so most likelly won't feel sleepy or weary .
Incorruptible body would also allow everyone with brain disfunctions in any shape or form be restored .

 

[Rachel Rachel]

Scripture says that we sleep after we die. It also says that to die is to be with the Lord.
I believe that's because we don't understand time. For us, time is linear or seems to be linear but not for YHVH. Some say that time is a spiral or a circle. Some physicists say that time is an illusion and that everything happens at the same time.
At any rate, I don't believe that time in heaven is anything like what we perceive and that's why both can be true...we sleep and we're immediately face to face with the Lord.

 

[chunkofcoal]

There is no night in heaven , this body is for sure weary but the incorruptible one can't feel hunger , thirst so most likelly won't feel sleepy or weary .
Incorruptible body would also allow everyone with brain disfunctions in any shape or form be restored .

A person can be emotionally weary, isn't that felt in the soul?

 

[Chinchilla]

A person can be emotionally weary, isn't that felt in the soul?

No when your memory is erased

 

[Chinchilla]

No when your memory is erased

Your brain creates connections , if you repeat something manytimes there are stronger connections , if good and bad thing at the same time

You can learn productive stuff but you can also learn bad and naughty stuff for example by taking drugs for long period of time your brain will make connections to remind you of such experiences , they grow stronger and you take more to satisfy them more .

New Body is not copy of the one you had but brad new so no worries or pain / addictions from previous life .

 

[chunkofcoal]

Your brain creates connections , if you repeat something manytimes there are stronger connections , if good and bad thing at the same time

You can learn productive stuff but you can also learn bad and naughty stuff for example by taking drugs for long period of time your brain will make connections to remind you of such experiences , they grow stronger and you take more to satisfy them more .

New Body is not copy of the one you had but brad new so no worries or pain / addictions from previous life .

So Moses, standing on the mountain with Yeshua and Elijah, had no memories of his life on earth?

 

[visionary]

or how does one pretend that Peter did not see Moses ?

Moses was resurrection... Remember the argument for him?

 

[Chinchilla]

So Moses, standing on the mountain with Yeshua and Elijah, had no memories of his life on earth?

I don't know , he didn't say anything .
Believers present in heaven with LORD don't have glorified bodies , these bodies are given only at resurrection . They are clearly awake tho .

 

[Rachel Rachel]

I don't know , he didn't say anything .
Believers present in heaven with LORD don't have glorified bodies , these bodies are given only at resurrection . They are clearly awake tho .

No one could be in heaven without a glorified body, unless you mean its just their spirit present with the LORD.

 

[Chinchilla]

No one could be in heaven without a glorified body, unless you mean its just their spirit present with the LORD.

yea as Spirit